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Just to show another side to the experience...
I arrived at Coachella just in time to catch the second half of Willie Nelson. My friend and I hung back until CH was about to go on, then we moved up to about 30 yards of the stage to the right. There were plenty of Rage fans all around us and they could barely contain their excitement even though there were two full shows to go.

When the band began, you could see the power of When You Come working on the crowd near me. Neil seemed intent on tearing it up on guitar throughout the show and a lot of non-fans seemed to appreciate it. A couple of guys that had been talking about Rage when the song started quieted down and watched the show. The set was going great until the bottle throwing incident, which seemed to shake the whole band. Silent House got the band and the audience back into it full swing. By the time they got to Something So Strong, one of the two Rage guys was dancing and singing along, he knew all the words. I realize their were a bunch of jerks out there, but there were some decent folks that were open to it as well.

On another note, I thought Rage Against the Machine were terrible. Morello is a great musician who practically kills himself trying to make bland music sound interesting. There were a couple of infectious grooves, but the more I listened, the more I felt that getting mad at Rage fans for their behavior is like getting mad at a monkey for flinging it's feces. They just don't have the brain capacity to understand why it is wrong.
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Exactly. The "Machine" they're raging against owes its entire existence to the fact that these neanderthals take their rage to music festivals rather than the voting booth. They only have themselves to blame for an administration that was able to steal an election by bedding down with a minority of religious extremists. They rely on the predictability that these people don't care enough to vote. That's the irony of the whole thing.


Point of order - can we please keep this debate in context, on topic (about Crowded House and their music) and not let this debate become a discussion about politics or religion.

Thanks.
I agree with everyone who says CH deserve better, because they really DO deserve better than this reception.

I've always thougt that festivals are some sort of "risk" for any band, in an attempt to gain more and new fans. Often that works: I already knew and liked their music when they totally won me (and I'm sure many others there) over at the T/W-festival 15 years ago. Too bad it didn't go like that at Coachella.

One thing that's not clear to me: is it allowed to bring bottles to a festival in the US and the UK? Here in Belgium bottles have not been allowed for like 15 or 20 years for safety reasons.
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Originally posted by lamb:
One thing that's not clear to me: is it allowed to bring bottles to a festival in the US and the UK? Here in Belgium bottles have not been allowed for like 15 or 20 years for safety reasons.


I can only speak for Coachella, but this year everyone was allowed to bring in ONE sealed bottle of water, and no empty bottles. In past years no outside bottles, full or empty, were allowed at all. Security was VERY strict... I saw people at the gate having to throw away headache pills, pens, oranges, energy bars and maglites. Of course, no glass of any kind was allowed. Small plastic bottles of water were on sale in the festival for $2 each. These were the bottles that were thrown at CH...
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I'm afraid my opinion of festivals remains unchanged. The band you like plays a very short set, half the audience doesn't really want to hear them, and you have to stand there in the midst of an unruly mob trying to take pleasure in the delicacies of the music. I don't think festivals are the place for CH, and I don't think it is the place to go and see them unless you're prepared to put up with this kind of thing and accept that everybody's taste is different.


In defence of the festival dates that CH are doing in the UK and Ireland though this summer, they are teaming up with Peter Gabriel, I personally feel it will be a totally different atmosphere from Coachella. I think that festivals only really work when the different acts tend to have many fans in common, which is clearly not the case with RATM. It's good to read though that not all RATM fans weren't acting like morons and to be fair it was probably a minority.

It looks to me as though they will be trying to get people to realise that they're back in time for the new album and then I reckon they'll return to the UK with something more like a tour.

I can see your point though Sad Claude and definitely agree that I'd prefer to see Crowded House play smaller venues rather than arenas, although if I have the choice of arenas or nothing I'll take arenas anyday.
As for the water bottles, they were passed out for free by the festival itself. Because of the heat and the people all packed in together, occassionally the organizers would throw out free bottles. The bottles were thrown around open to cool down the crowd. It is possible that the one that hit Neil was an accident, but I doubt that.
I choose not to go to that type of show or festival for fear of that type of behaviour.

Those louts weren't raging against any machine, they were behaving badly towards other human beings. You don't need a surname of Einstein to be able to figure that out.

I'm also glad to hear that it was a minority.

Perhaps next time Crowded House are inappropriately booked with other acts, the organisers will hand round paper cups of water instead. Big Grin (I think someone may have already suggested this!).

I notice that this thread is "...Webcast Crowded House..." It made me wonder whether the whole thing was filmed. It would be good to think that there was footage of those louts doing their thing. I think they should be named and shamed.
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I notice that this thread is "...Webcast Crowded House..." It made me wonder whether the whole thing was filmed. It would be good to think that there was footage of those louts doing their thing. I think they should be named and shamed.


I was so fired up when it happened I was tempted to make my way to the control booth to see if I could find footage of who threw it. I was there with my roommate and we are both big guys. If it had happened anywhere where I saw it, the Crowded House name would have been defended, whether that is in the spirit of the band or not.
I just read a Reuters report on Coachella and while it doesn't mention Crowded House, it does state that during the Arctic Monkeys' performance, former Faith No More singer Mike Patton, "wearing a do-rag and a faux bulletproof vest, led the crowd on an adjacent stage into mocking laughter directed at the English band."

and I was reading some posts on the Coachella message board (I'm seriously trying to avoid a pile of homework) and lots of people are blaming the festival promoters for scheduling CH to be the "sacrificial lamb" for RATM fans.
If similarly Anglo-inspired pop bands like Fountains Of Wayne and The New Pornographers are "relevent" enough to "belong" at Coachella, how ridiculous is it to say the opposite of Crowded House? I know Adam Schlesinger from FOW worships Neil's songwriting. In their own way, the bands mentioned and others like The Raconteurs are aiming for the same goal as Crowded House--finely crafted, intelligent, melodic pop. Only Crowded House did it 10-20 years ago, often better, and are still totally capable of it. Just a token rant.. Smiler
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Only Crowded House did it 10-20 years ago, often better, and are still totally capable of it. Just a token rant..


Yeah, well, indie music is just so much of a "scene" now that it attracts so many blissfully ignorant, conformist trendies. As usual, majority of the intelligent songwriters and innovative musicians don't get any credit. It seems to me these kids diss CH mostly because the only CH song they know is a mainstream hit. It's funny that many of the hipster acts they salivate over are lauded for rehashing 80s music by greater bands like CH.

I'm not really as old as I sound.. Big Grin

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Originally posted by lamb:
Here in Belgium bottles have not been allowed for like 15 or 20 years for safety reasons.


Is that true of plastic bottles, as well?


Yep. They were finally banned at every festival after Iggy Pop asked the crowd to throw empty plastic bottles in the air to show their enthusiasm. Unfortunately some were not empty...

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Originally posted by proudpom:

I can only speak for Coachella, but this year everyone was allowed to bring in ONE sealed bottle of water, and no empty bottles. In past years no outside bottles, full or empty, were allowed at all. Security was VERY strict... I saw people at the gate having to throw away headache pills, pens, oranges, energy bars and maglites. Of course, no glass of any kind was allowed. Small plastic bottles of water were on sale in the festival for $2 each. These were the bottles that were thrown at CH...


I thought the heat would explain the bottles. Thanks for clearing that up for me.


I try to look on the positive side now: it can only get better from here for Crowded House. Especially if we keep showing our support at CH-gigs.
I’m 15 years old 70 years ago and my favourite bands are Megadeth and The Cowsills. However, I realise that melodic pop music is dated because it is too nice and does not make me angry at a government that sanctions killing. Killing is not a very nice thing to do, as we all know. I don't like going to concerts because people trample on too many ants. Do any of you know that ants do not like Rage Against the Machine? Am I still relevant?

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I'm actually a big fan of both RATM and Crowded House - However when I'm the mood for one, it's hard to be in the mood for the other. They appeal to different sides of me.

For all the complaints about scheduling, I would imagine that CH's management tried very hard to not be in that timeslot. In the end these things come down to someone somewhere not having CH as one of their priorities, a promoter or festival organiser somewhere. I think everyone would agree that a different time slot and/or stage would have been more suited to the band, the needs of their fans, and more conducive to them finding an audience, but obviously some other act's needs were deemed to be of greater importance in the scheme of things. It happens all the time, I've seen really great acts get really ***ty billing at festivals simply because they ain't new and hot.

I would think that the members of RATM themselves would have been very disapproving of the way that a group of their fans treated CH, as it would go against their ethos to show such ignorant disrespect to another act.

It's just another case of the followers completely not getting the message of the leaders, and thus giving everyone a bad name - Which let's face it, is an age old problem in every sphere.
Apologies if this had been posted. From the Orange County Register, their top list showing Crowded House at #12:

Read the whole article here

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What a valiant return, what a terrible time and place to appear, what a shameful reaction the band received. It made no sense to put Neil Finn, Nick Seymour, Mark Hart and their L.A.-based drummer on the main stage at sundown when the throngs at the front of the stage had staked out spots for Rage as early as noon. They had already been patient through Willie Nelson, obviously not their cup o’ tea, and now they had to endure some of the finest crafted pop-rock of the last two decades – when all they wanted was a tension release.
It was an amazing weekend. The Pomona show was everything you could ever want in a first CH concert. I stood only a couple people from the front, dead center. Very casual. Great crowd. And they were phenomenal! Haven't read others accounts yet. Just got to a place were I could get online and am compelled to write my thought.
Every song, every interchange w/ the crowd - unforgettable! She Called Up much better than I remembered from the webcast. Black and White boy ~ total treat! I was crying in between laughter and cheers. Saw our man John Walsh and he got me a set list at the end. Waited patiently outside and had all the guys sign the list. Got to have conersation w/ them all. And Matt Sherrod ROCKS! Loved it all....

Now contrast w/ Coachella. It was unseasonably hot. The crowd mostly rude and chemically fired up. I, too made my way to the stage near the end of Willie, sqeezing between the other smelly sardines packed tightly at the front. Most of them waiting for Rage and the Latino band before them. Quite a volatile mix of cultures and preferences. I was able to move forward by tapping scary looking people on the shoulder and saying, "Excuse me. My son is up there. Would you mind if I squeeze past?" Was able to make yardage that way. Finally one guy said, "If you're a Mom, why don't you tell all these kids that they are all grounded and go to their room?" Smiler I was treated very nicely by this part of the crowd. It was hot. Smokey, smelly,sweaty. When the boys came on, I found there were few fans near me and the RAGE chanting began. I yelled at a lot of them to give CH a chance! All 5'3" of me. Security at the front of the stage tossed full water bottles out to the crowd, one hit a girl behind me in the face and broke her glasses. Another landed directly in my purse. But the crowd was getting more restless and the chanting louder. I had a full view of the bottle incident. It hit the mike and the neck of Neil's guitar, and I thought it hit his hand. Acting as one, I could feel the CH fans press forward in outrage and continue singing DDIO. From the look on his face, I thought he was going to stop the show. And I wouldn't have blamed him. A possible riot could have ensured at this point! But instead, with courage and determination, and his unflappable sense of humor, he recovered, picked up and ad libbed that great line. The fans singing bolstered the rest of the performance I believe, and the boys performed exceptionally well. It hurt me to witness this incident. I could go on but let me just say, CH should always be the headliners wherever they perform in the States. Apparently we have become a rude and impatient people especially at a festival fueled by alcohol, drugs and an ugly ungracious attitude.
Not to condemn all the young people there, but it was certainly hurtful to me as a fan SO looking forward to this opportunity!

I have even more admiration for Neil, Nick, Mark, and Matt.
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Apologies if this had been posted. From the Orange County Register, their top list showing Crowded House at #12:

Read the whole article here

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What a valiant return, what a terrible time and place to appear, what a shameful reaction the band received. It made no sense to put Neil Finn, Nick Seymour, Mark Hart and their L.A.-based drummer on the main stage at sundown when the throngs at the front of the stage had staked out spots for Rage as early as noon. They had already been patient through Willie Nelson, obviously not their cup o’ tea, and now they had to endure some of the finest crafted pop-rock of the last two decades – when all they wanted was a tension release.


Thanks for posting that link. I love how he devoted more space to CH than any other band. As he should have!
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Originally posted by carter:
Apologies if this had been posted. From the Orange County Register, their top list showing Crowded House at #12:

Read the whole article here

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What a valiant return, what a terrible time and place to appear, what a shameful reaction the band received. It made no sense to put Neil Finn, Nick Seymour, Mark Hart and their L.A.-based drummer on the main stage at sundown when the throngs at the front of the stage had staked out spots for Rage as early as noon. They had already been patient through Willie Nelson, obviously not their cup o’ tea, and now they had to endure some of the finest crafted pop-rock of the last two decades – when all they wanted was a tension release.


Having read his stuff here in OC for many years I think that Ben is a pretty decent sort, his reviews are pretty balanced.

And, he goes out of his way to champion bands that create well crafted pop music. Squeeze, Fountains of Wayne and Barenaked Ladies are among those that I've seen him write positive reviews of.
A few comments if i may.

This is how i hear it.

The time between the bottle knocking the mic off, through Dont Stop Now and on into Fall At Your Feet, well it's a bit "That bloke spilt my pint!!" followed by a "F**K You" determined delivery of DSN.
Then, a moment to reflect and then it's all "You know what, I LOVE THIS BAND" and a smooth, sort of sinking into a beanbag feeling delivery of FAYF.
Su-blinkin-perb and no mistake.
Saddened by the bottle incident but not going to dwell on it any longer.
By the way, Silent House has been my fave new one from the webcast onwards and the Coachella version just rocked.
Really ought to get my Hyde Park ticket sorted.

Oh and Private Universe in any guise and at any point in it's lovely life will always remain a thing of beauty, like a Monet upon which every fresh exposure reveals something new and just as special.

God how not to love CROWDED HOUSE

Well it's late and i am rambling, however, heart to fingers, true none the less

The Stoat
Just seen and heard a recording of the gig and my own thoughts are that the band seemed uncharacteristically nervous at the beginning of the gig probably due to the reception they were getting - you can hear it in Neil's voice. Having said that they seemed a lot more together as a band than at the Thekla and on the first webcast.

They definitely sounded a bit shaken for a good few songs after the water bottle incident and only really got into their stride towards the end. It can't have been easy for Neil trying to bare his soul to a hostile crowd.

This is such a shame as it probably had a huge bearing on the whole performance and what should have been a great comeback. (It was still good on the whole though)
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http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/


I read your blog! I didn't know you were a Crowdie Big Grin


I would love to take credit, however it's not my blog. It is written by someone I used to work for.
Good to see Howie's following increase. He articulates my thoughts pretty well.

Back OT. Is the Coachella performance archived yet?
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I'm not sure I will want to see the archived webcast. I think it might break my heart.
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Actually, apart from the water bottle, the webcast wasn't really that bad (IMHO). You really couldn't see or hear the chanting, shouting or rude gestures that we've since read about. You could hear some faint chanting of 'rage', but you could also hear cheering and the singing of DDIO from the crowd (while Neil's mic stand was being fixed). The mispelt name "Crowed House" was amusing, in a head-shaking way. I was expecting worse, but all the stuff that went on didn't seem to come through on the video (bottle tossing excepted, of course).
I went to Woodstock 99, so I have an idea of what Coachella would've been like. Generally, the crowd tends to get more rude, raucous and loaded as the festival draws to a close. I'm too old for that now. Razzer

I'll look for the archived CH set, but I'm glad that I had the chance to see the band in a setting like the Glass House. And that I was surrounded by true fans!
I couldn't stay up for CH at 3 in the morning but did see the feeling doing their short set -
It seems that they had a awkward time of it as well no bottles but some heckling- This is not new in festivals - I've been to many festivals throught the years in the UK and CH's treatment albeit shameful wasn't half as bad as what I've seen - notably Meatloaf's performance (in plastercast) at Knebworth supporting Deep Purple when hundreds of bottles and other unmentionables flew through the air (few hit me)
He went off after 35 minutes. Also RATT at Monsters of Rock Donnington (air turns blue when they get pelted with objects) . Difference being Neil Finn handled this profesionally whilst Meat Loaf and Ratt just wound the crowd up even more
I'm also embarrassed by the way CH was received in my country. I wish people would be more respectful. It wouldn't kill you to avoid being openly disrespectful of an act you don't think you will like. Just be quiet. Allow yourself the opportunity to broaden your horizons and possibly change your mind. The guys were amazing in spite of all the adversity.

On another note, at the end I thought I heard Neil say "I like the sound of that" Did anyone else catch that? Maybe that was the "respect, respect" John Walsh's blog mentioned? At the very least it sounded as if the chanting quieted down.

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