I went to look at the on-line edition, but I'll need to subscribe to have access to all the content.
Anyway it's useful to know. Another resource to add.
Musical poets I admire:
Steven Patrick Morrissey
and the most current band I listen to who I credit with writing poetry are Guillemots, Fyfe Dangerfield, certainly has a poetic soul.
quote:Originally posted by NZWarriors:
We all hear about how Neil doesn't like coming on here because the fans are 'too picky' - I think this is a perfect case and point - perhaps he is trying to be poetic, perhaps he isn't... does it really matter? His music and lyrics are what they are and maybe we should just accept that no matter how much we nit-pick it's not going to change how much we like/dislike certain lyrics/songs. I think we are reading into it too much. Just my 2 cents worth
He can certainly write catchy hooks though!!
quote:OPB Welsh Dan:
I think the actual term 'poetry' can be interpreted on many levels, But, in my own humble (and often blinkered opinion) I think Neil, as a poet, is better than both Morrisey and Dylan, (...)
(...) if we go by the Wicepeidia definition of poetry:
'..Poetry primarily is governed by idiosyncratic forms and conventions to suggest differential interpretation to words, or to evoke emotive responses. Devices such as assonance, alliteration, onomatopoeia, and rhythm are sometimes used to achieve musical or incantatory effects. The use of ambiguity, symbolism, irony, and other stylistic elements of poetic diction often leaves a poem open to multiple interpretations..'
'..the use of ambiguity, symbolism, irony, and other stylistic elements of poetic diction often leaves a poem open to multiple interpretations..'
(Although Morrisey does use irony beautifully at times, probably more than Neil)?
I think Neil wins hands down in terms of ambiguity, symbolism, and multiple interpretation. In fact, on the 'multiple interpretation' front I can't think of many better (in terms of popular music).
I have to say though, I'm not sure as to the meaning of 'incantatory effects'. WTF does that mean!?
@Welsh Dan posted:I have to say though, I'm not sure as to the meaning of 'incantatory effects'. WTF does that mean!?
If it means anything, (used as it was in distinction to musical effects) it must mean the effects of language as incantation. A magical twist on the natural ability of language to call forth, to as it were, to summon, conjure, abjure, dispel, bind, evoke, enchant, transmute. Language of course does none of this directly, but in the mind of the receiver. Who can then enact as much of such business as they see fit, and are capable of - but the incantation has done its work in the mind.
Am I babbling gibberish or was all that quite clear?
I am I fear a disenchanter. My incantations run straight to decoctions, and are neither absolved, nor resolved, nor solved.
Hey! I guess it makes me an alchemist! Hoo hoo!
Edit: I am not a "disenchanter." I am a chanter.
The point is, the incantatory effect of language is heavily-dependent upon the practitioner's skillz.
So is poetry.