I'd just like to start off by thanking Jeremy for the amazing work he's put in with these re-releases. Personally I love the way these albums are presented. I honestly never imagined we would be getting so many bonus tracks. Especially never expected bonus discs for Afterglow, Time on Earth and Intriguer. Not to mention 32-page booklets with so much included!

BUT, let's be honest, there will always be fans who'll get upset over the exclusion of certain tracks. So I thought I'd get a post in early. Off the top of my head I can only think of a few songs I would have liked to have seen on the bonus disc track listing, but I'm certainly not making any complaints!

But I thought I'd ask you guys about rare songs you would have liked to have seen included. Feel free to list demos or live versions of album tracks that could have been present too.

Here's the track listing for the bonus discs. I'll try and update this post with your suggestions too! Let's try and get a complete list of "Shoulda been on there" tracks

CROWDED HOUSE: 2016 Bonus CD
1. Something So Strong (home Demo)
2. Hole In The River (studio Demo)
3. Love You ‘til The Day I Die (home Demo)
4. That’s What I Call Love (studio Demo)
5. Can’t Carry On (studio Demo)
6. Walking On The Pier (studio Demo)
7. Does Anyone Here Understand My Girlfriend (studio Demo)
8. Oblivion (studio Demo)
9. Walking On The Spot (studio Demo)
10. Something So Strong (studio Demo)
11. Now We’re Getting Somewhere (studio Demo)
12. Stranger Underneath Your Skin (home Demo)
13. Don’t Dream It’s Over (home Demo)
14. Left Hand (live)
15. Grabbing By The Handful (live)
16. World Where You Live (writing Demo)
17. Recurring Dream (original Version)

TEMPLE OF LOW MEN: 2016 Bonus CD
1. Whispers and Moans (home demo)
2. Never Be The Same (home demo)
3. Dream On (home demo)
4. Never Been Born (rehearsal excerpt)
5. Think I’m Gonna Change (home demo)
6. Into Temptation (home demo)
7. Fire Will Keep Me Warm (In The Lowlands home demo)
8. Love This Life (home demo)
9. Sister Madly (studio out-takes)
10. Mansion In The Slums (live)
11. This Is Massive (live)
12. Love This Life (live)
13. In The Lowlands (live)
14. I Feel Possessed (live)
15. Burnt Out Tree (live)
16. Mr Tambourine Man (live)
17. Eight Miles High (live)
18. So You Want To Be A Rock’n’Roll Star (live)
19. When You Come (live)
20. Sister Madly (live)
21. Better Be Home Soon (live)

WOODFACE: 2016 Bonus CD
1. Burnt Out Tree (HOME Demo)
2. I May Be Late (HOME Demo)
3. She Goes On (HOME Demo)
4. As Sure As I Am (HOME Demo)
5. My Legs Are Gone (STUDIO)
6. You Got Me Going (HOME Demo)
7. Italian Plastic (HOME Demo)
8. Be My Guest (HOME Demo)
9. Weather With You (HOME Demo)
10. Chocolate Cake (HOME Demo)
11. How Will You Go (HOME Demo)
12. It’s Only Natural (HOME Demo)
13. Four Seasons In One Day (HOME Demo)
14. There Goes God (HOME Demo)
15. Catherine Wheel (HOME Demo)
16. All I Ask (HOME Demo)
17. Fields Are Full Of Your Kind
18. Creek Song/Left Hand
19. Fall At Your Feet (EARLY Version Rehearsal)
20. The Burglar’s Song (MEDLEY)
       – Around The Uk In 7 Minutes (LIVE)
21. I’m Still Here (FULL Version)

TOGETHER ALONE: 2016 Bonus CD
1. Blue Smoke (home Demo)
2. Fingers Of Love (writing Demo)
3. Private Universe (home Demo)
4. The Same Language As Me (live)
5. Tail Of A Comet (live)
6. Distant Sun (writing Demo)
7. I Am In Love (band Demo)
8. Fingers Of Love (band Demo)
9. Fingers Of Love (alernative Studio Take)
10. Black And White Boy (early Rough Mix)
11. Locked Out (Zen Mix)
12. Newcastle Jam (studio Version)
13. Convent Girls
14. Zen Roxy

AFTERGLOW: 2016 Bonus CD
01. I am in love home (demo)
02. instinct home (demo)
03. spirit of the stairs home (demo)
04. I’m so scared of losing I can’t compete home (demo)
05. everything is good for you home (demo)
06. not the girl you think you are home (demo)
07. anthem
08. I don’t know you studio (demo)
09. taste of something divine studio (demo)
10. spirit of the stairs studio (demo)
11. loose tongue (rough mix)
12. instinct
13. everything is good for you
14. not the girl you think you are

TIME ON EARTH: 2016 Bonus CD
1. She Called Up (home demo)
2. A Sigh (home demo)
3. Here’s a Note (studio demo)
4. Purple Light (studio demo)
5. So Dramatic
6. Stare Me Out (alternative version)
7. Distance Across (studio demo)
8. Lost Island
9. Stare Me Out
10. Bound To Rescue (home demo)
11. Don’t Stop Now (home demo)
12. Won’t Be Silent (home demo)
13. People Are Like Suns (piano version)

INTRIGUER: 2016 Bonus CD
1. Only Way To Go Is Forward (live)
2. Beautiful Life (live)
3. Either Side Of The World (live)
4. Twice If You’re Lucky (live)
5. Bound To Rescue (live)
6. God Lives Over The Road (studio Demo)
7. Isolation (studio Demo)
8. Better Things (studio Demo)
9. Even If (take 1)
10. Archer’s Arrows (alternative Version)
11. Saturday Sun (alternative Version)
12. The Intriguer (studio)
13. Turn It Around
14. Eyes Grow Heavy
15. Two Minutes Of Silence
16. Nonsense Of Course

As for why this forum isn't as active as it has been in the past, it's fair to say that a lot of people have migrated to Facebook over the past few years. There seems to be a lot of action in the Finn Brothers Appreciation Society group, so I like check that a fair bit. In a lot ways it will never replace what we once had here, but still seems to have some decent discussion.

 

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Secret God (Stew) posted:

As for why this forum isn't as active as it has been in the past, it's fair to say that a lot of people have migrated to Facebook over the past few years. There seems to be a lot of action in the Finn Brothers Appreciation Society group, so I like check that a fair bit. In a lot ways it will never replace what we once had here, but still seems to have some decent discussion.

 

And me not being on the Facebook, I always feel like I'm probably missing out on stuff.  I virtually never look at the Forum any more, and got off the Tongue in the Mail email list years ago (does that still exist?).  Happy to get all this music, and I'm happy to see the activity here!

 

Good call JaimeB on Franks Dark Past!  I'll try to think of some others...

Pieces of Change is the one I was most hoping would show up here, but I can't say I'm "upset".  Slightly disappointed, but I can still listen to the recording I have!  I am very much looking forward to hearing all the new goodies.

And Facebook will have to continue to go on without me.  . I still manage to hear about most of the stuff I need to hear about without being on Facebook. 

First, yes, Jeremy has done some incredible work and he deserves a lot of praise for what looks like a stunning collection. Thank you Jeremy!

It's really hard to know what you're missing on a collection like this. We know Cemetery in the Rain was demoed but I've never heard anyone speak particularly highly of it, so I guess that's why it was left off. I am surprised there is no demo of "Grabbing by the Handfuls" or the Paul led track from 1985 that includes the lyric "Pulled up heaving from the bottom of the ocean" in the chorus (but sounds nothing like "When You Come").

The Temple of Low Men disc relies heavily on live takes, which isn't too surprising. I was always under the impression that the ToLM era was light on rarities, though I would have included the cover of "She's Not There".

The Woodface disc has many of the Finn Brothers demos that we've already heard, but I super excited to be able to hear the "All I Ask" demo and to finally have "Fields are Full of Your Kind".

I am also surprised that "Convent Girls" is on the Together Alone disc. It sounds so much like a Woodface track, but I guess it's not. Really looking forward to hearing that one. Was is really recorded at Karekare along with Newcastle Jam?

Yeah, it's hard to complain. I am thrilled and cannot wait to hear it. I'll finally be able to create what I call the Lost Crowded House Albums. One between Temple and Woodface and one after Together Alone.  Those track listings now look like this (not sequenced):

Another World Waiting
1. Anyone Can Tell
2. Sacred Cow
3. Dr. Livingston
4. Legs Are Gone
5. I Love You Dawn
6. Fields are Full of Your Kind
7. Creek Song/Left Hand (one song? two songs?)
8. My Telly's Gone Bung
9. Recurring Dream (Woodface b-side version)
10. Time Immemorial

Lost Tapes
1. Everything is Good For You
2. Instinct
3. Not the Girl You Think You Are
4. Anthem
5. Spirit of the Stairs
6. I Don't Know You
7. Taste of Something Divine
8. Help is Coming
9. Loose Tongue (rough mix)
10. I'm so Scared of Living I can't Compete
11. Be My Guest (which now looks like a Woodface demo, so maybe not)
12. Dots on the Shell (acoustic version) (maybe)
13. Most Unwanted (live) (maybe)


 

Off the top of my head, there are a number of tracks that were given commercial release that don't appear to have made it. The biggest omission, to me, is She's Not There.

Also missing are the extended versions of Don't Dream It's Over and World Where You Live, the 1996 remix of the former, the US-only mix of Distant Sun and the Alternative Mix of Instinct. 

Beyond that, it's hard to know what we're missing because we don't know what's in the archives. I had hoped to hear the following:

Demos or studio takes of the two songs that were merged to form Fall At Your Feet. It appears that an early version of the song is to be included and it's possible that we'll discover that the other portion is contained in another as-yet-unidentified track we're about to get, so I haven't lost all hope (anyone who's not familiar with The Same Language As Me will be in for a surprise...)

The slow arrangement of Locked Out. I'd have also liked to hear more outtakes or alternate mixes of material from Together Alone: Chris Bourke made mention that Bob Clearmountain left out a lot of sounds the band recorded in order to create less cluttered mixes. I suspect he made the right call, but I'd have loved a "kitchen sink mix".

There are many songs that CH played live that we assumed had been, at least, demoed either by Neil alone or the band in rehearsal. Frank's Dark Past, for example, seems so well-formed and well-known to the band that it's hard to think they just made it up on the spot.

I'm also a little disappointed that the most interesting demos from Neil and Tim's Woodface demo sessions didn't make the cut, presumably because they didn't end up being CH songs. They were first issued on Finn Bros singles (suggesting that they were being considered as Finn Bros recordings) before some of them made it onto a previous Woodface reissue. The fact that the number of songs from those sessions included on Woodface has now been increased is welcomed but the omission of the most interesting ones of the bunch - Prodigal Son, In Love WIth It All and Strangeness and Charm - is unfortunate.

Indeed. I sincerely hope that no-one misinterprets any discussion about what's missing as a lack of gratitude or excitement. I'm genuinely thrilled at the prospect of what's to come but I would have liked more band studio out-takes and fewer demos and I don't think it hurts to explore what was left out.

I also note that one of the tracks included on the fan club auction CDR of Intriguer outtakes remains missing: Blue Hotel. I was never sure if that was a solo demo or band recording.

And where are the studio recordings/demos of the songs that were auditioned in front of live audiences? Songs like The Only Way To Go Is Forwards and Beautiful Life or the second (but abandoned) version of Twice If You're Lucky?

(And while I'm flexing my memory muscles, also missing are the remixes of Pour Le Monde and She Called Up...)

Another vote for "Frank's Dark Past," that's a pretty big omission for me.

"Cars Collide" and "789" were omitted from the Intriguer bonus tracks. The latter's resemblance to the Sesame Street theme probably explains its absence. While the former had ideas that later appeared in "Saturday Sun," it's a pretty well-defined song in its own right.

Fingers crossed that the live version of "Twice If You're Lucky" is the second (superior IMO) version.

Jeremy confirmed on another thread that there isn't a studio version of "Tail of a Comet."

Over the moon excited about a studio versions of "Convent Girls," "Better Things" and "Newcastle Jam"!

Perfectchord posted:
lavar78 posted:

 

Fingers crossed that the live version of "Twice If You're Lucky" is the second (superior IMO) version.

 

Do we know yet which live version is on this re-release?

Not to my knowledge. Maybe Jaffaman knows. I was assuming it was the "original" guitar-based version from the early pre-Intriguer shows.

There may be things we know exist that aren't included, but keep in mind, Neil was the one who approved everything in the end. If something's not there, I would just as well assume that once Neil revisited it he realized it wasn't good enough, wasn't up to standards, and therefore we're not missing much.

At the risk of sounding ungrateful (I'm not) or contrarian, "not missing much" is in the ear of the beholder. I'm beyond thrilled with what we ARE getting, but am pretty sad that Cemetery in the Rain didn't show up. I don't know why I got a bit obsessed with that one a while back, but it piqued my imagination. Speaking for myself, I'd MUCH rather have even a "sub-par" track that is totally new to me than a demo/live/alternate version of a well-known one. Even Neil's throwaways are so much better than most of what is out there. Still, there are plenty of songs I've never even dreamed of in that list, so can't complain.

I'm so excited, though. It's going to be tough waiting till November, but after all, we've been waiting now since what, 2005? So a couple of months shouldn't be that bad. At least the end is in sight. 

And still holding out for new CH, after the Neil/Liam release.

What would be great (though it would drive completists like myself crazy) would be to compile a list of what is known to exist that STILL has never seen the light of day. "Frank's Dark Past", for example, is pretty widely "out there". (And what an ear worm. Gets stuck in my head for days, some times. Would love to know the story behind it).

Very impressed with the bonus tracks. For me just about everything I wanted is on there and the Cds are packed full. I'm glad space wasn't wasted on stuff that has been commercially released and easy to find like the 12" mixes, and She's Not There. Much rather have stuff never released or booted. Pieces of Change and Cemetery In the Rain would have been nice but their absence doesn't really fuss me.

brownie posted:

Pieces of Change is the one I was most hoping would show up here, but I can't say I'm "upset".  Slightly disappointed, but I can still listen to the recording I have!  I am very much looking forward to hearing all the new goodies.

An unfinished studio version of "Chainsaw" almost made it to the tracklist but Neil didn't think it was up to scratch, so it was scratched.


Paināporo posted:

First, yes, Jeremy has done some incredible work and he deserves a lot of praise for what looks like a stunning collection. Thank you Jeremy!

It's really hard to know what you're missing on a collection like this. We know Cemetery in the Rain was demoed but I've never heard anyone speak particularly highly of it, so I guess that's why it was left off. I am surprised there is no demo of "Grabbing by the Handfuls" or the Paul led track from 1985 that includes the lyric "Pulled up heaving from the bottom of the ocean" in the chorus (but sounds nothing like "When You Come").

The Temple of Low Men disc relies heavily on live takes, which isn't too surprising. I was always under the impression that the ToLM era was light on rarities, though I would have included the cover of "She's Not There".

The Woodface disc has many of the Finn Brothers demos that we've already heard, but I super excited to be able to hear the "All I Ask" demo and to finally have "Fields are Full of Your Kind".

I am also surprised that "Convent Girls" is on the Together Alone disc. It sounds so much like a Woodface track, but I guess it's not. Really looking forward to hearing that one. Was is really recorded at Karekare along with Newcastle Jam?

"Cemetery In The Rain" nearly made it but, being a Finn Brothers song that didn't make it to Woodface, it got the cut in the end. You'll hear it one day.

"Grabbing By The Handful" demo is similar to the live version. Had to lose one. Again, we'll make it available somewhere someday.

"Pulled up..." is "Creek Song", included on the Woodface bonus disc.

Couldn't find many good demos and out-takes from Temple of Low Men so it was a good opportunity to feature live recordings of songs from the album. I had invaluable help here from members of this forum.

"She's Not There" was considered but Neil doesn't rate it well (the Zombies original is so sublime), so away it went.

Yes, "Convent Girls" and "Newcastle Jam" are from Karekare, although "Convent Girls" had overdubs in Melbourne.

Hope this isn't spoiling the fun, explaining the omissions. Let me know if it is.

Jaffaman posted:


Hope this isn't spoiling the fun, explaining the omissions. Let me know if it is.

Nope, interesting to hear the reasoning behind why certain tracks didn't make it.

One track I've always liked is Forever Friends, but I assumed it was just an on the spot kinda thing like Green Rose for George so wasn't expecting a studio version or anything. 

Really looking forward to hearing a better quality version of Grabbing by the Handful.

So thrilled about these bonus tracks. Can't wait to hear them all.

The only song I was hoping to hear, but I guess it was either a problem with MTV who owns the rights or Neil thinking that it wasn't good enough, is Most Unwanted from the Most Wanted show. It's so much better than the one on the fan club cd

lavar78 posted:
Perfectchord posted:
lavar78 posted:

 

Fingers crossed that the live version of "Twice If You're Lucky" is the second (superior IMO) version.

 

Do we know yet which live version is on this re-release?

Not to my knowledge. Maybe Jaffaman knows. I was assuming it was the "original" guitar-based version from the early pre-Intriguer shows.

There are a few added details on the UK iTunes track listings:

The five Intriguer bonus disc live tracks are listed as recorded at Leigh Sawmill Cafe in New Zealand - 22nd February 2008, so indeed the pre-Intriguer version which is among the Kitchen Sink II tracks at neilfinn.com

Similarly, the live "When You Come" on the Temple bonus disc is from the Ventura Theatre on the Woodface tour with Tim in the band.

So much to digest in these bonus disc track listings but for me these curiosities in particular stand out:

"Tail Of A Comet" and "Convent Girls" are represented on the Together Alone bonus disc - I remember hearing both of these songs on the Woodface tour. Presumably this means they were written after Woodface was recorded and then revisited/considered for inclusion on Together Alone?

Also, the rough mix of "Loose Tongue" on the Afterglow bonus disc reveals a link between late era Crowded House Mk.1 and Neil's solo career which is also interesting as it is a co-write with Jim Moginie.

These bonus discs are FAR more comprehensive that I'd imagined they ever would be. We're essential receiving the much-sought after box set in multiple parts. 

Cudos to Jeremy here - it must have been testing to hold back such exciting details until now.

 

Paul H posted:

...The biggest omission, to me, is She's Not There.

Also missing are the extended versions of Don't Dream It's Over and World Where You Live, the 1996 remix of the former, the US-only mix of Distant Sun and the Alternative Mix of Instinct. 

Beyond that, it's hard to know what we're missing because we don't know what's in the archives. I had hoped to hear the following:

Demos or studio takes of the two songs that were merged to form Fall At Your Feet. It appears that an early version of the song is to be included and it's possible that we'll discover that the other portion is contained in another as-yet-unidentified track we're about to get, so I haven't lost all hope (anyone who's not familiar with The Same Language As Me will be in for a surprise...)

The slow arrangement of Locked Out. I'd have also liked to hear more outtakes or alternate mixes of material from Together Alone: Chris Bourke made mention that Bob Clearmountain left out a lot of sounds the band recorded in order to create less cluttered mixes. I suspect he made the right call, but I'd have loved a "kitchen sink mix".

There are many songs that CH played live that we assumed had been, at least, demoed either by Neil alone or the band in rehearsal. Frank's Dark Past, for example, seems so well-formed and well-known to the band that it's hard to think they just made it up on the spot.

I'm also a little disappointed that the most interesting demos from Neil and Tim's Woodface demo sessions didn't make the cut, presumably because they didn't end up being CH songs. They were first issued on Finn Bros singles (suggesting that they were being considered as Finn Bros recordings) before some of them made it onto a previous Woodface reissue. The fact that the number of songs from those sessions included on Woodface has now been increased is welcomed but the omission of the most interesting ones of the bunch - Prodigal Son, In Love WIth It All and Strangeness and Charm - is unfortunate.

Extended versions and remixes were decided against because Neil didn't like them or, in some cases, they just weren't different enough from the original mixes. It's painful for completists but then most completists have or can access the originals anyway.

"Fall At Your Feet" with its earlier, different verse is there. Not a studio quality recording but fascinating. I also found a really ropey rehearsal recording of the "I'm really close tonight" section buried in the middle of a 24-track tape and gave it a quick mix but it was turned down. Musically, that's a good move. Historically, it's worth hearing sometime so I'll get it out there in a doco one day.

The only recordings of the slow "Locked Out" arrangement that I could find were the Zen mix (included here) and the live at Fleadh recording.

There's no demo of "Frank's Dark Past".

It would have been nice to have had all the 1989 Finn Brothers demos there but there wasn't space and neither Neil nor Tim were keen on including the non-Woodface songs.

Paul H posted:

Indeed. I sincerely hope that no-one misinterprets any discussion about what's missing as a lack of gratitude or excitement. I'm genuinely thrilled at the prospect of what's to come but I would have liked more band studio out-takes and fewer demos and I don't think it hurts to explore what was left out.

I also note that one of the tracks included on the fan club auction CDR of Intriguer outtakes remains missing: Blue Hotel. I was never sure if that was a solo demo or band recording.

And where are the studio recordings/demos of the songs that were auditioned in front of live audiences? Songs like The Only Way To Go Is Forwards and Beautiful Life or the second (but abandoned) version of Twice If You're Lucky?

(And while I'm flexing my memory muscles, also missing are the remixes of Pour Le Monde and She Called Up...)

Don't worry about this discussion being misinterpreted. It's all part of the excitement to discuss it all. From Day 1 I knew this sort of thread would pop up on Frenz Forum. Every time we added to or subtracted from the tracklist, I thought of everyone on the forum and what they were likely to say!

I would have liked more studio out-takes too but, in most cases, they just came across as slightly sloppier versions of the final takes, with mumbled lyrics. While I was often ok with that, Neil wasn't.

"Blue Hotel" was a solo recording and wasn't written for Crowded House, so wasn't considered, initially. I suggested it to Neil at the last minute but it was too late by then. Never mind. I must add it to the Kitchen Sink III on neilfinn.com one day!

I decided to only go with one version each of "The Only Way To Go Is Forwards" and "Beautiful Life". The live version of the former is unbeatable. The studio version was done pretty early on in the pre-production stage of the album and didn't match the energy of the live recording. The studio version of "Beautiful Life" isn't bad but it too wasn't completed.

lavar78 posted:

Another vote for "Frank's Dark Past," that's a pretty big omission for me.

"Cars Collide" and "789" were omitted from the Intriguer bonus tracks. The latter's resemblance to the Sesame Street theme probably explains its absence. While the former had ideas that later appeared in "Saturday Sun," it's a pretty well-defined song in its own right.

Fingers crossed that the live version of "Twice If You're Lucky" is the second (superior IMO) version.

Jeremy confirmed on another thread that there isn't a studio version of "Tail of a Comet."

Over the moon excited about a studio versions of "Convent Girls," "Better Things" and "Newcastle Jam"!

"Frank's Dark Past" - Yeah, I probably could have added the live version. Thought the subject matter was a bit obscure for an international audience all these years later. Ah well.

"Cars Collide" - I could only find a very murky sounding single-mic-in-the-room early band demo of this. A good version would have been cool. Listening to it now... very Smiths-like in places.

"789" is there as "The Intriguer".

The live version of "Twice If You're Lucky" is from Leigh Sawmill, which you've heard, but remixed by Eddie. I'd hoped to include one of the very different, darker versions but Neil didn't like 'em.

Glad you're excited about those three studio tracks you mentioned. So am I!

Jim B. posted:

I mentioned in another forum that "Good Luck Morning" was an intriguing title that didn't show up.  Maybe it doesn't exist, I think it was only known from the Bourke book.

The song does exist. It was a studio demo recorded in 1989, I think while Nick was out of the band. Neil dislikes it so it's not included.

Steve Shealy posted:

At the risk of sounding ungrateful (I'm not) or contrarian, "not missing much" is in the ear of the beholder. I'm beyond thrilled with what we ARE getting, but am pretty sad that Cemetery in the Rain didn't show up...

Yeah, it's a catchy riff. You'll hear it eventually.

Camus posted:

Very impressed with the bonus tracks. For me just about everything I wanted is on there and the Cds are packed full. I'm glad space wasn't wasted on stuff that has been commercially released and easy to find like the 12" mixes, and She's Not There. Much rather have stuff never released or booted. Pieces of Change and Cemetery In the Rain would have been nice but their absence doesn't really fuss me.

Hey, nice to see you, Camus. Someone from our frankly dark past. How've you been?

thejera posted:
One track I've always liked is Forever Friends, but I assumed it was just an on the spot kinda thing like Green Rose for George so wasn't expecting a studio version or anything.

Didn't come across a demo or studio version. It was tempting to grab all the one-off songs from the live shows and put them on but I didn't think it would jell in this context, or might sound like a repeat of one of Peter's excellent fan club compilations.

Patjoller posted:

So thrilled about these bonus tracks. Can't wait to hear them all.

The only song I was hoping to hear, but I guess it was either a problem with MTV who owns the rights or Neil thinking that it wasn't good enough, is Most Unwanted from the Most Wanted show. It's so much better than the one on the fan club cd

Various problems with this one, rights and musical quality being the main ones.

The Ligature posted:
"Tail Of A Comet" and "Convent Girls" are represented on the Together Alone bonus disc - I remember hearing both of these songs on the Woodface tour. Presumably this means they were written after Woodface was recorded and then revisited/considered for inclusion on Together Alone?

Also, the rough mix of "Loose Tongue" on the Afterglow bonus disc reveals a link between late era Crowded House Mk.1 and Neil's solo career which is also interesting as it is a co-write with Jim Moginie.

These bonus discs are FAR more comprehensive that I'd imagined they ever would be. We're essential receiving the much-sought after box set in multiple parts. 

Cudos to Jeremy here - it must have been testing to hold back such exciting details until now.

 

The Woodface Tour continued into 1992. Many of the songs for Together Alone were written in 1991/2 after Woodface had been released. Recording for Together Alone began in late '92.

"Loose Tongue"... check out page 330 of Chris Bourke's "Something So Strong".

Thanks, The Ligature. You're right... I've been dying to share all this with everyone. Should probably hold back a bit more. Giving everything away before you get to read the liner notes and interviews in the books! And yes, this is the box set but bigger and better. Just not in a box.

Many artists are perfectionists—perhaps to a fault—and Neil is no different. When I asked Neil and Nick about "Turn It Around" missing the cut for Intriguer, he and Nick tried to explain that they didn't like the studio version. They were shocked when I said I'd heard it (as the bonus track on iTunes) and were still wondering. It's (still) my favorite from the sessions and one of my all-time favorite Crowdies songs.

Thanks for all the info, Jaffaman! "You've given everything, Frank!"

Jaffaman,

I sure remember "Same Language As Me" being the origins of "Private Universe" on the Woodface tour, so there's plenty of transition between the two albums. Glad that song is represented in the bonus tracks. Plus the preview of the "Private Universe" home demo on UK iTunes shows how different that song could have ended up. Wow.

The Atlantic ocean has separated me from my copy of the Chris Bourke book for many years, but retrieving it is at the next opportunity is on my to-do list now.

At the risk of trawling for more information which the liner notes may cover - can you provide any insight into the kinds of media the various bonus tracks were sourced from? 24 track tape was mentioned but I'm guessing there will be anything from soundboard DAT tapes for some live recordings to perhaps even 4 track cassette recordings for the earliest demos? Did all of the work that was done on the archival material take place at Roundhead in Auckland? and out of curiosity - where are such valuable/historical resources typically stored for all these years?

Thanks again!

Don't know where to start! First things first:

1. Thank you Jeremy for all your hard work curating and making recommendations. A fabulous job to have (and one we're all envious of) but possibly also VERY hard because there must have been some tough decisions to make.

2. Thank you for your point by point responses. I'm sure these details will crop up in the new booklets but I for one really do appreciate having feedback on what's NOT there because, well, omissions aren't likely to be discussed in the booklets, are they?!

3. I'm not disappointed by the lack of the many released alternative mixes (because I have them and, perversely, am rather glad my painstaking attempts at definitive needledrops haven't been wasted!) but I think it's sad that Neil didn't feel them worthwhile. (They were worthwhile enough to make us fork out to buy them back in the day !!) I'd particularly take issue with him regarding She's Not There. I think CH's version is wonderful.

The one comment that really piqued my interest is your response to Blue Hotel. It was included on a five-disc Intriguer Outtakes CDR that Peter auctioned for the fan club. I assumed from it's appearance on that disc that it was a band rehearsal (even though it didn't sound like one). I wonder why it was included on that disc if it wasn't a band recording...

I'm also surprised at your observation that most of the studio outtakes were just sloppy attempts. Given their penchant for improvisation I really expected a few meanderings and humorous breakdowns etc. Clearly, they were more serious in the studio than they are on stage!

And finally (for now!): Frank's Dark Past was an IMPROV??? *insert lost for words emoticon*

This probably needs to be in a different thread, but we used stereo cassette, 4-track cassette, 1/4" stereo, 1/2" stereo, 1/4" 8-track, 2 inch 24-track, DAT, CD-R, Hi8 digital 8-track, Dolby SR, Dolby B, Dolby C, Non-Dolby, DBX, hi-speed, lo-speed, no-speed, digital files, you name it!

The 24-track transfers were done at Roundhead, mostly by Neil Baldock, in 2006. I did more last year but I don't think we used any of those in the end. The majority of the tapes needed baking at Stebbing Studios first before being transferred to Pro Tools.

The 8-track transfers were also done at Roundhead by Neil B and me. Neil sometimes recorded with the vari-speed on so I often had to guess what the original speed would have been.
The stereo cassettes, 4-track cassettes, DATs and Hi8 Digital multitrack tapes were transferred by me at RNZ.

Other 1/4" tapes were transferred at various times in various places and a few tapes from various sources were transferred by Capitol Records /Universal in the US in 2005/2016.

Tape storage... there's a whole 'nother story.

Jaffaman posted:

"Frank's Dark Past" - Yeah, I probably could have added the live version. Thought the subject matter was a bit obscure for an international audience all these years later. Ah well.


As part of that "international audience", what IS it about?

I would also like to sincerely offer my thanks for an outstanding job, Jeremy. 

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