Tagged With "2007"

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The Mystery of Peter Jones

The Pineapple Head ·
Does anyone know why in the 2007-2010 Crowded House Reunion, Peter Jones did not return when Finn, Seymor and Hart did? Did he choose to not return or was he not asked back?
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Am I the only one who loves 2007-2010 Crowded House?

The Pineapple Head ·
I've seen on the forum a few people expressing their dislike for the 21st Century iteration of Crowded House. And I can't understand that. I genuinely love both of their albums and really feel like they were taking strides forward. I love the life and energy that Matt Sherrod brings. I still hope for a third album with the Finn/Seymour/Hart/Sherrod line up. C'mon let's get some love for the now over a decade old "current" Crowded House.
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c.houser ·
Listened to Intriguer this morning while working. First time in a while. Some of it sounded forced or tired, but there were a few good "feels" still. While it's not as complete a work as TOE, it's still called "Crowded House", so it deserves to be in the mix. I have a hard time listening to TOE start to finish, there's always an interruption or I'll stop along the way and end up not finishing it. A lot of gems though, that's for sure. I presume most folk here try to listen to Some Finn music...
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Freofan ·
I was wondering what was the reaction to Intriguer when it first came out? Also, if it got a lukewarm reaction, do you think this was a factor in Neil putting CH on the back-burner?
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c.houser ·
I liked it a lot when it came out. But I hadn't heard the earlier (working?) versions of the songs so I wasn't jaded. I bought the Best Buy cd with the DVD. Yay me.
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brownie ·
There are lots of threads on this forum from 2010 when it was released. I seem to recall that most people liked it at the time, but it was not unanimous among forum members nor among critics. I liked it well enough when it was released, but it faded very rapidly for me, particularly because of earlier versions of Twice If You’re Lucky and Either Side of the World that I had grown to love. I never returned to it over the years. I loved the bonus material that was released years later, but...
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slowpogo ·
Intriguer is easily the most divisive CH album. I thought it was okay but a little disappointing back then; it’s faded away completely by now. It’s not the quality of the songs necessarily. I don’t think the producer delivered, frankly. Everything seems not quite there yet, and I hate the way it was recorded and mixed.
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Cradle2Grave ·
Love that attitude, some things you have to see no matter the cost and effort. I had never seen CH live (hadn't really been old enough) until 2016, I flew to Sydney for the Opera House shows. There were countless reasons to go, but I was definitely pushed along by the possibility that CH may never play again. It was so incredibly worthwhile, one of the best times of my life. Of course, I hope they do return and you get to experience it. They still sounded so amazingly tight, it only added to...
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stuartjb ·
Completley agree Cradle2grave !
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Secret God (Stew) ·
Time on Earth , to me, isn't a Crowded House album. Don't get me wrong, I have Crowded House listed as the 'artist' in the album's FLAC files. But if something was not envisioned, written or recorded as a Crowded House album then I can't truly consider it as such. Here are some examples of what I consider more (or as equal to) Crowded House than what the Time on Earth album was (which, by all intensive purposes, was a Neil Finn solo album that happened to feature Nick Seymour as its studio...
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stuartjb ·
I don’t get these comparisons at all I’m afraid . A prime case in point is comparing time on earth to Deadstar - that makes no sense to me . As much as I think all the members of Crowded House are of paramount importance , one person that Crowded House can’t exist is Neil !
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Secret God (Stew) ·
For the record I was making a tongue-in-cheek point, while simultaneously pushing the absolute boundaries of my argument, by including Deadstar in the conversation. Can I addd Sheryl Crow's Everyday Is a Winding Road single in my list. Neil featured on the song's drowned-out backing vocals, and she once met Eddie Rayner and Craig Hooper at separate parties in the mid '90s. So that's practically Crowded House too, right?
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Paul H ·
I really want to get to the bottom of this. I've read nothing over the years to suggest this. I've read Something So Strong more times than any other book. I even went back and re-read the relevant chapters when this idea was first discussed in this thread. Maybe I just interpreted something Burke said in a particular way and am now blinkered/pre-disposed to interpret it that way every time I read it, but I'd love someone to point me to the information (in Burke or elsewhere) that suggests...
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slowpogo ·
I don’t have a source but I definitely remember reading somewhere that they were initially deciding between a band name or more of a “Neil Finn and the _____” situation, a la Elvis Costello and the Attractions. I see that as a little different from a pure “solo” act though. I think Capitol thought a band name would be more marketable.
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Jaffaman ·
The first album was always a band project. It was Capitol who suggested banking on Neil’s name and calling the band “Neil Finn and...”
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Jaffaman ·
As for “Time On Earth”, I sat in on some of the of the sessions in early and mid 2006 and asked Neil whether it was a solo or band project. He and the others all said they really didn’t know at that point. All that mattered was getting the music down.
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Cradle2Grave ·
This should be an easier question, how close to the first album did their name change from The Mullanes to Crowded House? They were still calling themselves The Mullanes when they played the live version of Grabbing By The Handful which appears on the Deluxe reissue. I'm not sure when and where that show took place and how much longer they kept that name.
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Jaffaman ·
That show was on 16th June 1985. The date's in the Deluxe Edition book. According to Chris Bourke's book, Something So Strong , the band name was chosen after the album had been recorded in the early months of 1986, and only when they hit the deadline for the album artwork. Neil Finn and the Tearaways had been suggested. Mitchell Froom was apparently asked to join the band at one point and jokingly said, "Only if we can be Neil Finn and the Losers." Neil found the phrase, Crowded House,...
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Paul H ·
That's my recollection. My understanding is that Neil was uncertain as to whether they'd really gelled as a band and could consider themselves as one in that sense, not whether they should be a band or a solo act.
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Secret God (Stew) ·
It does makes more sense for the "band" to have been tossing up between calling themselves 'Neil Finn and the...' versus a 'Band Name' (as opposed to a legitimate 'Neil Finn' solo record.) I feel like we would have known about this for years otherwise. I can't remember who started this recent 'band vs solo' discussion, but it was definitely someone who worked with them during the early days. When he was quoted as saying the first album was originally going to be a solo record, perhaps what...
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Paul H ·
I find this remarkable. Neil and Nick are working together in a studio and they're musing on whether or not this is a CH project without poor old Mark being anywhere in sight. Perhaps you'd say I was talking out of turn, Jeremy, but it seems from here that Neil really does have very little respect for Mark's place in CH. It seems self-evident given that Neil is happy to consider ALL the tracks on Time on Earth to be band tracks even though only two members of the band are on most of them.
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Jaffaman ·
I said “band project”, not Crowded House.
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Paul H ·
Indeed you did but which other band might that be, given that we're talking Neil Finn and Nick Seymour? I think pretty much anyone would consider a "band" project involving those two to be Crowded House. And given that said project eventually was issued under that name, I can't believe they were considering a different project. Regardless, as I noted, it seems that Neil was quite happy to issue a set of songs as Crowded House songs even though Mark wasn't on any of them. It's one thing for a...
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stuartjb ·
Well I would consider it to be Crowded House yes ! Is this not what the whole argument has been about ?!
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Jaffaman ·
My point is it wasn’t considered a Crowded House album at the time of the recording sessions in 2005 and the first half of 2006, but nor was it definitely thought of as a Neil Finn solo album by those making it. Not until later, anyway.
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Paul H ·
Understood, Jeremy. But this news does leave me rather baffled. If it wasn't definitely thought of as a Neil solo album what on earth else might it have been considered as? Surely Neil went into the studio with a set of songs to make his next album... As I say, If not, what else?? Don't tell me Nick was the original second member of Pajama Club!
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Jaffaman ·
Where would music be without some mystery?
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c.houser ·
Why DID he write She Called up as such a happy sounding song?
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slowpogo ·
I feel like you’re imposing a rigid personal rule about what a band is, in a creative/artistic space where there are few rules to begin with.
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Secret God (Stew) ·
@Paul H , the 2005-2006 sessions were the first main project Neil worked on following Paul Hester's death, and I think having Nick back playing bass was mainly about the two reacquainting themselves with one another. Unlike @Jaffaman I obviously wasn't present in the recording sessions or anything like that, but I do remember a TV interview from 2006, featuring both Neil and Nick, where they talked about how good it felt to be working together again. When pressed about what the batch of...
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Steve Shealy ·
Since Crowded House had officially been broken up, and a "Farewell to the World" concert played, along with Afterglow to clean up loose ends, it is not too surprising that Neil and Nick were considering a new band together (although this is the first time I've heard that). May have been the label's preference, or maybe nostalgia on Neil's part to revive the CH moniker. No matter what, the label says Crowded House, so who are we to say otherwise?
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stuartjb ·
Completley agree
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Paul H ·
I'm imposing no rules at all, unless you count the basic rules around interpersonal relationships/behaviour. If you're happy for people to be thought of merely as resources to be tapped or not as the mood fits, fine, but I'd hope for a more humane view. At the time it broke up, CH consisted of three people. If two of them get together and reform the band, surely it sends a very public message to the third member that they weren't wanted or that their input wasn't appreciated. That must be...
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Paul H ·
I guess it depends on how important Crowded House was/is to anyone. For me, Crowded House was as close to a religion as one could get: I ate, slept, breathed CH for years. They were the only thing I played. That isn't about the brand , it's about the people who were in the band. I find it hard to reconcile the notion that anyone could love Crowded House but not care who was considered to be in it. Of course, if Mark had been invited to take part in those sessions but had turned it down, I...
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Secret God (Stew) ·
I think you raise a fair point @Paul H . I completely understand Neil and Nick not inviting Mark to take part in the sessions, as at the time the album was not planned to be released under the Crowded House moniker. I wonder what the story was with Peter Jones not being involved in the reunion though. Once Mark was back in the fold, and Crowded House had officially reformed, I saw no reason why Peter wouldn't have been the default and most logical choice. He was the band's drummer from 1994...
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Paul H ·
It's an excellent question, isn't it? Neil really did put himself in a spot when he decided that he did want to be back in a band and that that band could only really be Crowded House. The cleanest solution to me, would have been to release Time on Earth as a solo album and tour it as such, even if only briefly. I know that tours can be important for selling albums but at that stage of his career Neil was pretty much preaching to the converted only; that is, he was only selling albums to his...
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Paul H ·
Well, I think the recent news that poor Mark has been dropped from the band finally shatters the idea that the name Crowded House has any meaning at all. From being so respectful of the contribution of its other members that he refused to carry on using the name after he broke the band up, to now feeling - apparently - that any line featuring him and Nick can be called Crowded House. As someone who adored Crowded House back in the early 90s I'm so saddened to feel that it is now nothing more...
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The Pineapple Head ·
I'll be honest, I still believe that is a band. I adore Mark but even without him, I'm sure that Crowded House will still be Crowded House. Just different. I think it will be a combination of the classic Crowded House sound we are all used to and the post Dizzy Heights style of Neil's music. I know change is scary but I think we should put more faith in the man that is a large part of the reason why we are all here together [alone]. I believe this will legitimately be Crowded House and also...
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stuartjb ·
Completley agree . I’ve championed the name of Crowded House for years , but it seems like I was wasting my time .
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Freofan ·
As someone who discovered the band only in late 2017, I would be thrilled if they reunited again in any form. I have never seen them live. Seeing Neil live in September for the first time in NZ. If they reunite, no matter where the concert is, I'm buying a ticket immediately! PS I love Time on Earth. I have not explored Intriguer enough.
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Havelin ·
You are not the only one! Of course we all miss Paulo, but this different incarnation of the band is still my favorite band! I live in hope that they reunite and make another album sometime soon. In 2007–2008, I saw them a bunch of times and another bunch in 2010. With the announcement that they are to play the Sydney Opera House show in Australia on tv pretty soon, I am still kicking myself that I didn’t go to Australia... I think it was November 2015? 2016? I’m sure that was an amazing...
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Freofan ·
I know the feeling. In 2007, they performed 20 minutes from me, but I didn't know them then. They also performed multiple times in a major city a few hours away multiple times both tours. Kills me to think of it now!
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Enzboy ·
Personally I would disagree with the above posts regarding the 2007+ era of Crowded House. I have seen Crowded House several times (1989 Concert of the Decade, 1991, 1993, 1996 Farewell To The World) & I followed everything they did, collected everything I possibly could & I would happily say that nothing will ever beat the 1986 - 1996 era of Crowded House. They were catchy pop songs from a band that were looking for stardom, trying to get somewhere starting from nothing. The 2007 -...
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Enzboy ·
I also saw them in 2007 (Live On Earth) & 2010.
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renzo ·
I just revisited the last 2 CD's. Firstly, I find that TOE is much better than Intriguer. It seems more raw and real....as if it was more hastily created and recorded which to me makes the songs sound better. The only hiccup for me on TOE is She Called Up (the song that seemed to try too hard to be Crowded Houseish) They should have replaced that with Lost Island and it would have been a classic. Intriguer seems too polished and worked on for too long (tried the songs out on the road for too...
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slowpogo ·
I love Time on Earth, and as an album I even like it more than their debut — the debut’s first 4 tracks are classic but I don’t need the rest. None of TOE reaches the band’s greatest heights, but it’s solid all the way through & there are some really great highlights: Nobody Wants To, Pour Le Monde, People are Like Suns. I enjoy all the other songs, including You’re the One to Make Me Cry. TOE is the last album of Neil’s I really loved. I enjoyed the Intriguer process, hearing early...
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Freofan ·
I love Don't Stop Now and Nobody Wants To, among others on that album. I'm looking forward to seeing Neil perform live in September, even if part of FM.
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Jeremy Loder ·
I really like Time On Earth but Intriguer is just pleasant background music to me with no standout tracks like all the other albums. My only issue with Time On Earth is that Mark and Matt only appear on four tracks. I know that it started off as a Neil solo album with Nick guesting before Neil decided to reform the band. But I was disappointed that they didn't get Mark and Matt to add to or replace parts on all of the album. Instead their appearance feels token and an afterthought. I guess...
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Paul H ·
I can't really think of TOE as a CH album because, well, it isn't. All bar four songs were recorded by Neil as a solo album, which was only badged as a CH record when he decided - post recording but pre-release - to reform the band. His choices were either to release the album but abandon it promo-wise, or call it a CH album and persuade the band to tour it. But a CH album it ain't.
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slowpogo ·
So tired of this, but I’ll repeat my counter-argument for the 30th time. The entire thing features two of the original three members, and more importantly, it SOUNDS like Crowded House through and through regardless of the branding. Would anyone claim Nobody Wants To *doesn’t* sound like classic CH, with “only” Neil and Nick? This is why Neil went that direction, because to paraphrase a quote from him at the time, “everyone was thinking it, that it sounded and felt like Crowded House.” Call...
 
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