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Paul H ·
I feel that Neil called it a CH album because, having decided to reform the band, doing anything else would have made life very messy: what were his choices? 1) Ask the band to tour his SOLO album. Not likely. 2) Release the album with no tour and head straight back to the writing desk. A real shame for the material on TOE, really hard work for the songwriter and frustrating because it would delay actually working/touring with the band. I remain unimpressed by any argument that he decided to...
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The Ligature ·
Interesting debate. For me it highlighted some of the history of the origins of Neil’s recorded work vs. the personnel we got to see touring it because that’s a part of what we’re talking about where Time On Earth is concerned. The musicians who toured that album were Crowded House, that makes it a chapter in the Crowded House career for me regardless of exactly who recorded what on the album, the percentage of Crowded House members on any given song or the number of songs they performed on.
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Thom Bullock ·
The choices of who to work with in the studio are much different than who to work with live. Ligature’s point about Neil “presenting” a record live with usually scant relationship to the people who record it is spot on and not unique to Neil. McCartney’s band hardly plays on his albums, Noel Gallagher’s band doesn’t play on his either (even though Jeremy Stacey stopped touring with Noel, he still does his studio drumming), similarly with Bob Seger and countless others. The pattern always...
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Paul H ·
For me, the differences are that those examples quoted were for solo albums. Who he works with is vs who he tours with is of limited interest. However, if I'm buying a record by Crowded House, I expect Crowded House to have recorded that record. I'm not bothered by the odd instance of "outside help" and I don't expect the band to have played on every song. Never said I was. The issue isn't one of "how many band members played on each song". It's about the intent. As I noted above, Beautiful...
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stuartjb ·
For me your point is moot , because there are session players on every album with the exception of Together alone . Not to repeat myself but at least Neil and Nick are on all of TOE , which is not true of other ch albums .
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Paināporo ·
Actually, I don't think Paul played any drums on the Together Alone title track. All session players! This is always going to be a gray area that can be endlessly debated. I accept that Neil and Nick started recording Time On Earth together with sessions players and at some point decided that what they were creating sounded more to them like a Crowded House record than a Neil Finn solo album. But Paul H's comment that it is intention that matters and not who is on the record means that the...
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stuartjb ·
Tim sang on TOLM and he wasn’t in the band then , and Richard Thompson was on guitar , so it’s not a “ real “ crowded house album either ..... nick and Neil are on all of TOE . Mark is on some of it , and they got a new drummer towards the end of the sessions . It’s definatley Crowded House , and what’s more - it says so on the album cover .
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stuartjb ·
For the avoidance of doubt , anyone who knows me on here will know that I’m more emotionally attached to Crowded House than any other aspect of Neil’s work .
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The Pineapple Head ·
I must say when I created this topic, I did not expect this level of controversy and discussion.
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Paināporo ·
I'm not sure that I believe there is such a thing as a Crowded House album anymore.
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slowpogo ·
One more example of a band with no stable lineup is the very prolific Guided by Voices. It’s understood the “band” is really just Robert Pollard and whoever he chooses to surround himself with at the time. But even if he writes all the songs, he still fleshes them out into band arrangements with other people, and it’s definitely rock band music (apart from his occasional solo numbers). I think his touring lineup has been a bit more stable but in general, good luck forming any coherent...
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brownie ·
I don’t know much about Guided By Voices, and am okay with saying Robert Pollard and 3 guys named Joe could call themselves GBV and I would by okay with that. Diehard GBV fans may disagree with me, but I have no opinion. As far as Crowded House is concerned, I do have an opinion. It is almost impossible for me to conceive of a Crowded House without Paul Hester. I think he was integral to everything I love about the band. I can begrudgingly accept Crowded House with Neil Finn and Nick Seymour...
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Paul H ·
This is where I'm at. I think anyone who Crowded House back in their heyday would say that Hester and the band's chemistry with each other was as much a part of the draw as the songs and performances. To be honest - and I'm really trying hard to pick my words carefully here so please understand that I mean no offence to anyone - I find it genuinely baffling that anyone who can honestly say that CH and their music means much to them, or has had a great emotional impact on their life, can then...
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stuartjb ·
It’s hard to accept “ I honestly mean no offence “ when it’s followed by comments like “ people make silly comparisons ..” just because you don’t agree with them doesn’t make them silly . Paul was a massive part of the band , but I remember when Peter took over , I invested just as heavily in the band then . I loved how his drumming made the band sound , just as I loved the way Paul played . Neil and Nick were 2 thirds of the original line up . It’s not perfect , but it’s Crowded House if...
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Paul H ·
Well, Stuart, "silly" may be a criticism but if you take offence at criticism then I can't help you nor be held responsible for any offence you may take. I stand by the comment because I believe your examples were silly in the context of the discussion: they were exaggerations aimed at making a point. As such, they didn't address the point at hand and merely attempted to provide distraction from addressing it. I'm pleased you're comfortable with a version of CH that only features two band...
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Paul H ·
But the facts weren't relevant to the discussion, Stuart. But okay, look. I am done with this thread but I stayed to see what response I received out of respect for you and others whose comments I've picked up on. If nothing else, it gives me an opportunity to offer you an apology. So if you're offended by the use of the word silly, I'm sorry. Pick another word: how about "inappropriate" or "unhelpful" or "unconstructive"? Now, back to your regular scheduled programming.
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stuartjb ·
I believe “ silly “ is derogatory rather than constructive . Calling something silly because you don’t agree with it is poor in my opinion . There were no exaggerations from me , just plain facts . I can’t help it if you can’t accept them .Here was me thinking you “ were done with this thread ...
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stuartjb ·
I’m just happy to agree to disagree
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Paul H ·
Accepted, but I do find it frustrating that you don't seem prepared to actually address the points I've made but, rather, have offered up irrelevant additional points. Still, as I keep saying (ha!) I'm outta here. No reply necessary!
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Paināporo ·
You guys, I'm just kidding! I think they're all Crowded House albums!
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Mariola ·
Dear Pinapple Head, here is one more who really loves new CH with Matt While TOE was very good album by me, Intriguer was excellent album, fresh and innovative (in Neils case, not music in generall), and all TOE/Intriguer era was so good to me, that I have only wonderfull memories from it - me and wife Helena was in Wien 2007. first time to see CH (and Neil) live, and year after that in Zurich in summer of 2008...wonderfull memories, band in excellent form, great personality of new drummer...
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stuartjb ·
❤️ ☝️
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c.houser ·
Listened to Intriguer this morning while working. First time in a while. Some of it sounded forced or tired, but there were a few good "feels" still. While it's not as complete a work as TOE, it's still called "Crowded House", so it deserves to be in the mix. I have a hard time listening to TOE start to finish, there's always an interruption or I'll stop along the way and end up not finishing it. A lot of gems though, that's for sure. I presume most folk here try to listen to Some Finn music...
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Freofan ·
I was wondering what was the reaction to Intriguer when it first came out? Also, if it got a lukewarm reaction, do you think this was a factor in Neil putting CH on the back-burner?
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c.houser ·
I liked it a lot when it came out. But I hadn't heard the earlier (working?) versions of the songs so I wasn't jaded. I bought the Best Buy cd with the DVD. Yay me.
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brownie ·
There are lots of threads on this forum from 2010 when it was released. I seem to recall that most people liked it at the time, but it was not unanimous among forum members nor among critics. I liked it well enough when it was released, but it faded very rapidly for me, particularly because of earlier versions of Twice If You’re Lucky and Either Side of the World that I had grown to love. I never returned to it over the years. I loved the bonus material that was released years later, but...
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slowpogo ·
Intriguer is easily the most divisive CH album. I thought it was okay but a little disappointing back then; it’s faded away completely by now. It’s not the quality of the songs necessarily. I don’t think the producer delivered, frankly. Everything seems not quite there yet, and I hate the way it was recorded and mixed.
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Cradle2Grave ·
Love that attitude, some things you have to see no matter the cost and effort. I had never seen CH live (hadn't really been old enough) until 2016, I flew to Sydney for the Opera House shows. There were countless reasons to go, but I was definitely pushed along by the possibility that CH may never play again. It was so incredibly worthwhile, one of the best times of my life. Of course, I hope they do return and you get to experience it. They still sounded so amazingly tight, it only added to...
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stuartjb ·
Completley agree Cradle2grave !
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Secret God (Stew) ·
Time on Earth , to me, isn't a Crowded House album. Don't get me wrong, I have Crowded House listed as the 'artist' in the album's FLAC files. But if something was not envisioned, written or recorded as a Crowded House album then I can't truly consider it as such. Here are some examples of what I consider more (or as equal to) Crowded House than what the Time on Earth album was (which, by all intensive purposes, was a Neil Finn solo album that happened to feature Nick Seymour as its studio...
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stuartjb ·
I don’t get these comparisons at all I’m afraid . A prime case in point is comparing time on earth to Deadstar - that makes no sense to me . As much as I think all the members of Crowded House are of paramount importance , one person that Crowded House can’t exist is Neil !
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Secret God (Stew) ·
For the record I was making a tongue-in-cheek point, while simultaneously pushing the absolute boundaries of my argument, by including Deadstar in the conversation. Can I addd Sheryl Crow's Everyday Is a Winding Road single in my list. Neil featured on the song's drowned-out backing vocals, and she once met Eddie Rayner and Craig Hooper at separate parties in the mid '90s. So that's practically Crowded House too, right?
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Paul H ·
I really want to get to the bottom of this. I've read nothing over the years to suggest this. I've read Something So Strong more times than any other book. I even went back and re-read the relevant chapters when this idea was first discussed in this thread. Maybe I just interpreted something Burke said in a particular way and am now blinkered/pre-disposed to interpret it that way every time I read it, but I'd love someone to point me to the information (in Burke or elsewhere) that suggests...
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slowpogo ·
I don’t have a source but I definitely remember reading somewhere that they were initially deciding between a band name or more of a “Neil Finn and the _____” situation, a la Elvis Costello and the Attractions. I see that as a little different from a pure “solo” act though. I think Capitol thought a band name would be more marketable.
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Jaffaman ·
The first album was always a band project. It was Capitol who suggested banking on Neil’s name and calling the band “Neil Finn and...”
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Jaffaman ·
As for “Time On Earth”, I sat in on some of the of the sessions in early and mid 2006 and asked Neil whether it was a solo or band project. He and the others all said they really didn’t know at that point. All that mattered was getting the music down.
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Cradle2Grave ·
This should be an easier question, how close to the first album did their name change from The Mullanes to Crowded House? They were still calling themselves The Mullanes when they played the live version of Grabbing By The Handful which appears on the Deluxe reissue. I'm not sure when and where that show took place and how much longer they kept that name.
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Jaffaman ·
That show was on 16th June 1985. The date's in the Deluxe Edition book. According to Chris Bourke's book, Something So Strong , the band name was chosen after the album had been recorded in the early months of 1986, and only when they hit the deadline for the album artwork. Neil Finn and the Tearaways had been suggested. Mitchell Froom was apparently asked to join the band at one point and jokingly said, "Only if we can be Neil Finn and the Losers." Neil found the phrase, Crowded House,...
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Paul H ·
That's my recollection. My understanding is that Neil was uncertain as to whether they'd really gelled as a band and could consider themselves as one in that sense, not whether they should be a band or a solo act.
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Secret God (Stew) ·
It does makes more sense for the "band" to have been tossing up between calling themselves 'Neil Finn and the...' versus a 'Band Name' (as opposed to a legitimate 'Neil Finn' solo record.) I feel like we would have known about this for years otherwise. I can't remember who started this recent 'band vs solo' discussion, but it was definitely someone who worked with them during the early days. When he was quoted as saying the first album was originally going to be a solo record, perhaps what...
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Paul H ·
I find this remarkable. Neil and Nick are working together in a studio and they're musing on whether or not this is a CH project without poor old Mark being anywhere in sight. Perhaps you'd say I was talking out of turn, Jeremy, but it seems from here that Neil really does have very little respect for Mark's place in CH. It seems self-evident given that Neil is happy to consider ALL the tracks on Time on Earth to be band tracks even though only two members of the band are on most of them.
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Jaffaman ·
I said “band project”, not Crowded House.
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Paul H ·
Indeed you did but which other band might that be, given that we're talking Neil Finn and Nick Seymour? I think pretty much anyone would consider a "band" project involving those two to be Crowded House. And given that said project eventually was issued under that name, I can't believe they were considering a different project. Regardless, as I noted, it seems that Neil was quite happy to issue a set of songs as Crowded House songs even though Mark wasn't on any of them. It's one thing for a...
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stuartjb ·
Well I would consider it to be Crowded House yes ! Is this not what the whole argument has been about ?!
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Jaffaman ·
My point is it wasn’t considered a Crowded House album at the time of the recording sessions in 2005 and the first half of 2006, but nor was it definitely thought of as a Neil Finn solo album by those making it. Not until later, anyway.
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Paul H ·
Understood, Jeremy. But this news does leave me rather baffled. If it wasn't definitely thought of as a Neil solo album what on earth else might it have been considered as? Surely Neil went into the studio with a set of songs to make his next album... As I say, If not, what else?? Don't tell me Nick was the original second member of Pajama Club!
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Jaffaman ·
Where would music be without some mystery?
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c.houser ·
Why DID he write She Called up as such a happy sounding song?
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slowpogo ·
I feel like you’re imposing a rigid personal rule about what a band is, in a creative/artistic space where there are few rules to begin with.
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Secret God (Stew) ·
@Paul H , the 2005-2006 sessions were the first main project Neil worked on following Paul Hester's death, and I think having Nick back playing bass was mainly about the two reacquainting themselves with one another. Unlike @Jaffaman I obviously wasn't present in the recording sessions or anything like that, but I do remember a TV interview from 2006, featuring both Neil and Nick, where they talked about how good it felt to be working together again. When pressed about what the batch of...
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