I don't find it confusing at all. Afterglow was a "leftovers" album released after they broke up, some of which is post-TA, plus other material from that period exists. An "album" could be made from that material (and a pretty good one at that). The other two came years later after they reformed.
Thanks for explaining, but the subtlety of the question was not implicit to me. I was unsure if the OP even knew there were albums after TA. I know they recorded a few demos with Peter Jones (ie Help Is Coming) but I didn’t know there was enough for a whole album. Are you counting the tracks with Paul recorded for Recurring Dream as well? B sides from Try Whistling This that were originally conceived as CH songs (ie Tokyo)? The parameters still aren’t very clear to me.
The lost 5th album was also raised in the topic thread below. https://www.frenzforum.com/top...lbum-finally-arrived Camus presented a good track listing of: Help Is Coming, Anthem, I Don't Know You, Taste of Something Divine, Spirit of the Stairs (York St Demo), Loose Tongue, Instinct (York St Demo) Everything Is Good For You, Not The Girl, bonus track Instinct (single version) Tokyo would fit pretty well onto that track list too, making it a 10 track album.... I wasn't aware it was...
Different order, but mine are basically the same as Camus'. Used the studio demo of Stairs and the rough mix of Loose tongue. Some have suggested that Astro was considered, but seems like Jaffa or someone shot that down. Have not heard it suggested that Tokyo was considered.
I am quite fond of my lost CH album, which I call Something Divine. I chose to imagine a word where some new songs are being worked on at the same time that outtakes from TA are being considered and that Paul is still a member of the band. 1. New castle Jam 2. Anthem 3. Instinct 4. Everything is Good For You 5. You Can Touch 6. A Taste of Something Devine 7. Not the Girl You Think You Are 8. My Time is Now (Paul Hester) 9. Convent Girls 10. Help is Coming 11. Spirit is the Stairs (studio demo)
I've made a playlist that could have been released in 1996 or so, it utiilizes a couple of outtakes from Together Alone, though. (And they do sound ever-so-slightly out of place.) But it's a great album full of fantastic mid-nineties rock. I actually really, really really like it and I think I would have just loved in 1996, which was right when I was getting into all things Finn. I even think it might have been a big international hit, it sounds so "of the times." It goes like this:...
SOOOO much good music from that time frame! Sad they called it quits in what seems in retrospect to be a very creative time for Neil. But at least this stuff is "out" and we can enjoy it, shuffle it around and create interesting playlists and "what ifs".
Another thought just came to me, "Walk Tall" was from that period. Though it was a live cut, would have been interesting to see it developed and see what would have happened in the studio. Could have fit well on the "lost album".
To me, if these songs we know were on that "lost" album, it would be most probably second best album of CH, shortly after Together Alone, and maybe even with Woodface... Most of that songs are just brilliant, just to mention Anthem, Help is Coming, Taste of Something Divine, Everything is good for you, Spirit of the stairs are all just fantastic. Rest of them are also great...
In addition to the 1996 CH album I shared previously, I also have a "bonus disc" to that album, which I call the Lost Tapes '96. It includes the following: 1. Most Unwanted (MTV UK live) 2. Instinct (demo from FTTW DVD) 3. Be My Guest (live on the Internet) 4. Not the Girl You Think You Are (demo) 5. Dots on the Shell (live acoustic performance) 6. Everything Is Good For You (demo) 7. Loose Tongue (demo) 8. Falling Star (live acoustic radio performance) 9. I Don't Know You (demo) 10. Spirit...
Apart from the various b-sides, probably the best one to get is the Visconti version of Everyone is Here, and maybe Mary of the South Seas which getting trickier to find even though it was released on Other Enz vol.1. Of course there are a number of bootleg concerts out there as well.
https://www.youtube.com/channe...5Or7-ffQhiLShd67bHyg Peter Green has posted early studio versions of at least 4 tracks done at Roundhead Studios 2003 from Everyone is Here, and non album tracks too! These are total gems.
Into the water from Tim’s Anthology is also half a Finn Bros song, with vocals from both Tim and Neil. And the version of throw your arms around me from the Tim Finn rarities collection. And the demo from Prodigal son. Since its a bside from the Finn bros its pretty rare I guess.
Finn Brothers B sides and other rarities can be heard in The Kitchen Sink collections at http://www.neilfinn.com/music/ Videos at http://www.neilfinn.com/everyone-is-here and http://www.neilfinn.com/finn
Also known as “Don’t Rely On”, it was recorded by Tim and Neil in 1990 for the Finn Brothers album before that project was abandoned and Tim joined Crowded House. The song was rewritten and re-recorded as “Always Never Now” for Tim’s Before and After album.
Thanks, Jaffman - is the "Always Never Know" still credited to both Tim and Neil on "Before & After?" OR should he, technically be credited, but decided to leave his name off it? Or was Neil never even co-credited for "Sound Of Truth?" Just curious. Thanks. Happy holidays to you and yours. xo
Thanks, Jaffa - I don't remember seeing Neil credited on Tim's version of "Always Never Know," but it's possible he/they decided to leave his name off it. I did check the wikipedia for and Neil's not credited. Maybe Tim changed it enough to warrant a credit, or maybe it was just their choice. I'd love to know the behind the scenes story. Hmmm.
I've heard of "Sound of Truth": an early version of "Always Never Now." But I've never heard it. I've never heard of "I Can't Stand It." Would love to hear both of those. However, At any rate, I'm fairly certain they've never been released officially in any form and thus have been left off this list.
What's everyone's thoughts on the 'Lost Fifth' album of Crowded House which would have been released some time after 1994. Has anyone made their own version using rarities? Do you have an order? Which tracks would be the singles? I'd love to find out!
Although Tim Finn has no convenient Kitchen Sink collections like that which Neil Finn (and Jaffaman) have generously provided to us fans, this is a list is meant to collate various Tim Finn or Tim Finn associated songs that have been released here and there in various forms in chronological. Due to the fact that there are no deluxe editions of Tim Finn albums as there are of Crowded House, this list of odds and sods is quite a bit longer than Neil's. I've also included prominent guest spots...
I've revised this slightly. 1978: They Won't Let My Girlfriend Talk To Me( demo, released on Other Enz) Remote Control (Phil Manzanera) Cuban Crisis(Phil Manzanera Hot Spot (Phil Manzanera -- vocals only) Slow Motion TV (Phil Manzanera--vocals only) Message Boy ( 1979 Split Enz B-side, later released on Rootin' Tootin' Luton Tapes) Semi-Detached (1979 B-side, later released on Rear En z and Rootin' Tootin' Luton Tapes) Hyptnotised (Split Enz, 1980 B-side, later released on Rootin' Tootin'...
Great list Lance. Just looking at the Split Enz era tracks, you could add "Jolted" (from "Oddz & Enz") and "Murder" and "Something To Do" (both live from "I Like It Rare" series). Possibly also "Merry Christmas From The Frenz Of The Enz". Also "Hermit McDermit" (7") and "Mind Over Matter " (A&M "Frenzy") were earlier releases of Luton versions. Plenty of live versions of otherwise released tracks left off, but you may not have wanted to include these. "Another Great Divide" was...
YOu're right, I have missed those. I did deliberately leave off the live B-sides (for now). I'll probably redo this at some later point to include them. I did a list for Neil, too, and as we all know, there are so many live B-sides with Crowded House, I was a bit daunted at the work so when I feel ready to tackle that I'll do both of them.
Fantastic find re "Quasimodo's Dream". That's definitely a new one for the completists. Your other titles are all from "White Cloud". Except "Family Images" and "Into This Place" don't exist as far as I know - definitely not performed as part of "White Cloud", but likely refer to some of the spoken word component. It's a tragedy that the full "White Cloud" has not been released, as well as more from the "Ladies In Black", "Twelfth Night", "Vermilion Sands", "Forenzics" and "Star Navigator"...
Thanks for the info re: La Donna Della Luna. I am planning to update this list soon, there are a couple of mistakes, also some of the unknown dates I had I now have dates for. And thanks for Quasimodo's Dream.
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