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An open letter to all Crowdies

The Pineapple Head ·
Hello everyone. I've always felt that the Crowded House/Frenz community has been a like minded and mostly agreeing place. Sure, we have different opinions but there's always underlying respect. However, after the recent business with Mark Hart, I'm worried what will become of this fandom. Neil's decision has been extremely divisive and have no doubt that no matter what some people will be unhappy with the result. I, myself have my reservations. Still it will be interesting to see what...
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Mark Hart - Charity Auction

JamieB... ·
For those of you who love these items, Mark Hart is auctioning this jacket for charity on ebay - good luck! Look at this on eBay: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252580724778 Crowded House Tour Jacket
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Mark Hart - Gold Disc for sale

JamieB... ·
Hi all Mark is selling his Recurring Dream gold disc for a charitable cause. If you are interested, you can bid here : Look at this on eBay: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252405777217 Crowded House Gold Record Cheers J
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Secret God (Stew) ·
I feel that this decision, from the limited info we have, has already divided the fandom like nothing before it. We may well be the greatest and more friendliest bunch of fans on the planet, but we're all human. Elsewhere on the internet (Facebook) there have been major arguments that have transitioned into flat-out name-calling. We're all going to have our own opinions and disagree with others, but that's really where it should end in my opinion. Ideally we shouldn't be taking offence at...
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Freofan ·
Good points! One thing I've learnt from fan communities is that if the artist isn't reading and not commenting, then 100 percent people around them are.
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stuartjb ·
Unfortunatley , being told what to think , or what not to think , or that it’s ridiculous to put so much importance on Mark - are all things very likely to cause offence - along with the blatant name calling . ive found the “ finn bros appreciation “ page on Facebook to be the worst . The rest of the sites including this one seem fine really
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lee rutle ·
Yep its all opinions and i'm cool with everyones view don"t wanna fall out life's too short
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OneIssue ·
Having seen several fan communities become boiling cesspools of hate when a band does something that some fans disagree with, I can understand the concern of the OP here. Some people seem to take decisions made by bands very personally, and while I can understand that some people may be disappointed by various things happening, some 'fans' seem to become obsessed with bringing the band down. And, to an extent, that can ruin things for actual fans of the band who might want to continue...
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stuartjb ·
Said so myself , I think the Finn bros appreciation page is toxic
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usaoz ·
Oh yes there are different opinions out there but I dont think it is as out of control as the LB/FM saga ..the angst that went and still goes on! (will they ever let go?) I dont think the same can be said about Frenz and our own band lineup change. I think the divide is more about the why ( which has not been stated) and who is worthy to replace Mark. No one in my fandom eyes but that is just me
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OneIssue ·
I've seen worse than the FM saga, much worse. But, I don't want to say which band as I've moved on from that argument and don't want to start it again.
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Am I the only one who loves 2007-2010 Crowded House?

The Pineapple Head ·
I've seen on the forum a few people expressing their dislike for the 21st Century iteration of Crowded House. And I can't understand that. I genuinely love both of their albums and really feel like they were taking strides forward. I love the life and energy that Matt Sherrod brings. I still hope for a third album with the Finn/Seymour/Hart/Sherrod line up. C'mon let's get some love for the now over a decade old "current" Crowded House.
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Jeremy Loder ·
So you don't consider Mark Hart a proper CH member or a key ingredient of the CH sound from at least 93 onward? Yes with Neil and Nick TOE has two original members and I never disputed that. But as Mark rejoined the reunited band I was disappointed as a fan that he didn't get to play on the whole album or at least more than four tagged on tracks. I think he deserved better and the fans did too. The funny thing is tho that paradoxically TOE sounds like more of a band album than Intriguer. The...
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slowpogo ·
If the original intention had been to reform the band, Mark would have and should have been there from day one, certainly. But it worked out in a more complicated way than that. It happened how it happened and I’m sure nobody had anything against Mark. And don’t forget, the recording is only part of the TOE story, they toured extensively on that album with Mark and Matt In the band, so all things considered Mark was a major player in that part of the band’s career — not to mention literally...
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The Ligature ·
Interesting debate. For me it highlighted some of the history of the origins of Neil’s recorded work vs. the personnel we got to see touring it because that’s a part of what we’re talking about where Time On Earth is concerned. The musicians who toured that album were Crowded House, that makes it a chapter in the Crowded House career for me regardless of exactly who recorded what on the album, the percentage of Crowded House members on any given song or the number of songs they performed on.
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brownie ·
I don’t know much about Guided By Voices, and am okay with saying Robert Pollard and 3 guys named Joe could call themselves GBV and I would by okay with that. Diehard GBV fans may disagree with me, but I have no opinion. As far as Crowded House is concerned, I do have an opinion. It is almost impossible for me to conceive of a Crowded House without Paul Hester. I think he was integral to everything I love about the band. I can begrudgingly accept Crowded House with Neil Finn and Nick Seymour...
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Paul H ·
This is where I'm at. I think anyone who Crowded House back in their heyday would say that Hester and the band's chemistry with each other was as much a part of the draw as the songs and performances. To be honest - and I'm really trying hard to pick my words carefully here so please understand that I mean no offence to anyone - I find it genuinely baffling that anyone who can honestly say that CH and their music means much to them, or has had a great emotional impact on their life, can then...
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Secret God (Stew) ·
Time on Earth , to me, isn't a Crowded House album. Don't get me wrong, I have Crowded House listed as the 'artist' in the album's FLAC files. But if something was not envisioned, written or recorded as a Crowded House album then I can't truly consider it as such. Here are some examples of what I consider more (or as equal to) Crowded House than what the Time on Earth album was (which, by all intensive purposes, was a Neil Finn solo album that happened to feature Nick Seymour as its studio...
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Secret God (Stew) ·
It does makes more sense for the "band" to have been tossing up between calling themselves 'Neil Finn and the...' versus a 'Band Name' (as opposed to a legitimate 'Neil Finn' solo record.) I feel like we would have known about this for years otherwise. I can't remember who started this recent 'band vs solo' discussion, but it was definitely someone who worked with them during the early days. When he was quoted as saying the first album was originally going to be a solo record, perhaps what...
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Re: Mark Hart - Gold Disc for sale

gryphon ·
thanks you beat me to it! Good charity too.
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Lost Fifth Album

The Pineapple Head ·
What's everyone's thoughts on the 'Lost Fifth' album of Crowded House which would have been released some time after 1994. Has anyone made their own version using rarities? Do you have an order? Which tracks would be the singles? I'd love to find out!
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Re: Complete List of Split Enz & Beyond Studio Releases

Spencer Goode ·
Nice list! I would add Phil Manzanera's K-Scope which like Southern Cross featured Tim on lead vocals for a few tracks. Other Enzers were also involved. Mark Hart was a member of Supertramp for a few albums before and after Crowded House. Neil was featured prominently on several Dave Dobbyn albums including as producer and co-songwriter on Twist. Phil contributed music to a movie called Amy in 1997 but I don't know if the soundtrack was officially released.
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Complete List of Split Enz & Beyond Studio Releases

Secret God (Stew) ·
Below is a generated folder list of every available Enz-related studio album/EP/project I can think of. I own a physical CD copy of everything listed (with the exception of a few that are digital only), and everything in these folders are lossless FLAC files (all tagged properly, with cover art). However, I am missing the bold/italic releases. So I guess my question is, aside from the bold/italic releases, am I missing anything obvious? Also, has anyone managed to find themselves copies of...
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Secret God (Stew) ·
Cheers Spencer. Have since got myself a copy of K-Scope . Not sure I'd consider albums Neil has 'produced' as part of my canon, even if he did happen to co-write a song or two. I know Mark Hart has played with Supertramp a fair bit, even singing lead vocals on some of Roger Hodgson's songs, but has he played on any of their studio albums or sung on any studio recordings? I mean if we're including Supertramp where do we draw the line? Yeah hard to include some of Phil Judd's soundtrack work...
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Re: Am I the only one who loves 2007-2010 Crowded House?

Freofan ·
As someone who discovered the band only in late 2017, I would be thrilled if they reunited again in any form. I have never seen them live. Seeing Neil live in September for the first time in NZ. If they reunite, no matter where the concert is, I'm buying a ticket immediately! PS I love Time on Earth. I have not explored Intriguer enough.
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Havelin ·
You are not the only one! Of course we all miss Paulo, but this different incarnation of the band is still my favorite band! I live in hope that they reunite and make another album sometime soon. In 2007–2008, I saw them a bunch of times and another bunch in 2010. With the announcement that they are to play the Sydney Opera House show in Australia on tv pretty soon, I am still kicking myself that I didn’t go to Australia... I think it was November 2015? 2016? I’m sure that was an amazing...
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Freofan ·
I know the feeling. In 2007, they performed 20 minutes from me, but I didn't know them then. They also performed multiple times in a major city a few hours away multiple times both tours. Kills me to think of it now!
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Enzboy ·
Personally I would disagree with the above posts regarding the 2007+ era of Crowded House. I have seen Crowded House several times (1989 Concert of the Decade, 1991, 1993, 1996 Farewell To The World) & I followed everything they did, collected everything I possibly could & I would happily say that nothing will ever beat the 1986 - 1996 era of Crowded House. They were catchy pop songs from a band that were looking for stardom, trying to get somewhere starting from nothing. The 2007 -...
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Enzboy ·
I also saw them in 2007 (Live On Earth) & 2010.
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renzo ·
I just revisited the last 2 CD's. Firstly, I find that TOE is much better than Intriguer. It seems more raw and real....as if it was more hastily created and recorded which to me makes the songs sound better. The only hiccup for me on TOE is She Called Up (the song that seemed to try too hard to be Crowded Houseish) They should have replaced that with Lost Island and it would have been a classic. Intriguer seems too polished and worked on for too long (tried the songs out on the road for too...
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slowpogo ·
I love Time on Earth, and as an album I even like it more than their debut — the debut’s first 4 tracks are classic but I don’t need the rest. None of TOE reaches the band’s greatest heights, but it’s solid all the way through & there are some really great highlights: Nobody Wants To, Pour Le Monde, People are Like Suns. I enjoy all the other songs, including You’re the One to Make Me Cry. TOE is the last album of Neil’s I really loved. I enjoyed the Intriguer process, hearing early...
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Freofan ·
I love Don't Stop Now and Nobody Wants To, among others on that album. I'm looking forward to seeing Neil perform live in September, even if part of FM.
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Jeremy Loder ·
I really like Time On Earth but Intriguer is just pleasant background music to me with no standout tracks like all the other albums. My only issue with Time On Earth is that Mark and Matt only appear on four tracks. I know that it started off as a Neil solo album with Nick guesting before Neil decided to reform the band. But I was disappointed that they didn't get Mark and Matt to add to or replace parts on all of the album. Instead their appearance feels token and an afterthought. I guess...
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Paul H ·
I can't really think of TOE as a CH album because, well, it isn't. All bar four songs were recorded by Neil as a solo album, which was only badged as a CH record when he decided - post recording but pre-release - to reform the band. His choices were either to release the album but abandon it promo-wise, or call it a CH album and persuade the band to tour it. But a CH album it ain't.
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slowpogo ·
So tired of this, but I’ll repeat my counter-argument for the 30th time. The entire thing features two of the original three members, and more importantly, it SOUNDS like Crowded House through and through regardless of the branding. Would anyone claim Nobody Wants To *doesn’t* sound like classic CH, with “only” Neil and Nick? This is why Neil went that direction, because to paraphrase a quote from him at the time, “everyone was thinking it, that it sounded and felt like Crowded House.” Call...
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Jeremy Loder ·
Thanks for the condescension. I'm familiar with the sad circumstances that led to Neil and Nick reuniting. I don't doubt that Neil respects and values Mark. I just think it would have been better to let him add more to the album. Just my opinion but I doubt I'm alone. I agree that Mark would never complain, he comes across as to nice of a guy. Everything they've done since? You can only be talking about touring and the one album since. Maybe deserve wasn't the right word but don't know why...
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slowpogo ·
Also the 2016 Sydney performance. I wasn’t offended. This has clearly deteriorated so I’ll just say, feel better dude.
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Jeremy Loder ·
The 2016 shows were indeed awesome, at least the show they showed on tv and what I saw of the others on Youtube. But they never got a cd/dvd release. Never my intention to offend you. Just calling a spade a spade. Respect isn't a hard thing to have for others opinions. Sorry you find it difficult. I have no problem with you having a different opinion to me. Just you not respecting mine. Feel better? Bro I'm all good. It's gonna take more than a disagreement on a music forum to spoil my day.
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Paul H ·
Personally, I don't feel that "sounds like" and "features x number of members" are good enough reasons. "Yesterday" featured only one Beatle and didn't sound ANYTHING like a Beatles song up to that point. And yet it IS a Beatles song because it was recorded by a member of that band with the intention of being issued as one of their songs. (Compared to, say, Beautiful Night which featured twice as many Beatles but was recorded by them in their capacity as solo artists and was never intended...
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Kittybear ·
It's Crowded House because it was issued by the band and the record company as Crowded House. It doesn't have to sound like CH or include all the members anymore than Yesterday or Eleanor Rigby has to sound like or include all the Beatles. It's the fact that it was originally issued as CH and subsequently promoted by the whole band world wide that makes it theirs. They issued it, they own.
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Paul H ·
Okay. Let's back track. I clearly recall Neil saying in an interview at the time of the release of Try Whistling This that his record company - Parlophone - had asked him to keep using the CH name even though he'd split the band. Neil acknowledged that this would be the most commercially sound thing to do but - in acknowledgement of the contribution of the other band members and the special rapport the band had with its audience - he didn't feel he could do that. He was clearly acknowledging...
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Zephyr ·
I recall Neil saying at the time of TOE being released that things changed when Paul died and that he felt different about 'resurrecting' the Crowded House name. I personally couldn't care less under whose name TOE was released. It remains one of my favourite Neil albums and the album I am most likely to revisit.
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Paul H ·
I agree its a good record, although I do think it's too long. Of course, we'd all remove different songs (and many, I suspect, would remove none). I also think CH had the makings of a great record in Intriguer but, for my money, made all the wrong decisions: picked the wrong versions of Saturday Sun and Isolation, and then included weaker tracks at the expense of some of the best songs from the sessions (The Intriguer, Turn it Around and Eyes Grow Heavy). Again, I could easily compile a...
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renzo ·
I would definitely remove She Called Up from TOE....cheapens the record....and then the video came out, and harmed the record even more. I do think it was Neil's way of purposely recording a Crowded House sounding song. I would like to know if it was the last one to include. One last time: replace it with Lost Island or the other B side song, and it would complete the album. Also, have People Are Like Suns piano solo version, and TOE could have been close to a classic Crowded House album.
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c.houser ·
Isn't Lost Island already on TOE? I was surprised at how many in the 2007 audience knew the song She Called Up in Atlanta. I suppose that was a gathering place for Regional fans, and we'd all bought the album (or CD, or apple music download). So come back, already! We're Still Here!
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Paināporo ·
I say add "Stare Me Out", "Lost Island" and "So Dramatic" and make it a double album! The vinyl has both "Stare Me Out" and "Lost Island" included. It's a great set! I mean, I love "She Called Up". It was a shot of energy that the album needed to sound more like Crowded House. Saying it should be removed is akin to saying "Black & White Boy" or "Tall Trees" should be removed for their respective albums. And yet, without those songs, my 15 year old self might have never engaged with those...
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Jeremy Loder ·
Is it just me or does She Called Up have a very Something So Strong vibe about it?
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Thom Bullock ·
My gateway drug to CH was the 2006 Farewell to the World release - I’d heard of them before, but hadn’t listened to them in a decade or so, and FTTW came out around my 18th birthday. So Time on Earth and Intriguer are the two records I’ve experienced in “real time” so to speak. And I love those albums, because that whole era was great. In additional to ancillary personal memories, they make me think of the first streamed in studio gig, following all the other pre tour gigs in ‘07, the great...
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renzo ·
That's what I thought too....trying too hard to get close to what has been done in the past. I wonder what Neil's honest opinion is of that song. I am only guessing but I think he does not look back on it too fondly. You don't hear about him play that one live anytime or anywhere. Someone should request him to play it on his site and see what his reaction is...
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c.houser ·
You guys know what that song's about, right? My 10-yr old daughter has always wanted to ask Neil why he made the song so upbeat? The video was pretty funny and the curtains made a nice touch.
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