*Bows out of this discussion immediatley, as I have no credibility at all*quote:Originally posted by Camus:
...but I do have a Bachelor of Music majoring in composition and I am classically trained...
Fair enough then. I guess you're happy to have people add to your song & not be credited. Although that might be different in other songwriting partnerships / bands. BTW, I'm all for Neil Finn (for example) getting sole credit on HIS dongs on either of the Finn Brothers albums - IF he wrote them... & I find it hard to believe both brothers had equal imput into every song... but we discussed that a while back in another topic & it's of no relevance to this discussion...quote:if I wrote a song (and I've written many) and someone else improvised a fantastic solo over the top of my chord progression using my melody as a basis (also happened many times) I would not give them a credit.
Yeah I do agree... but it's a strange example & I never emplied that just anyone should be able to add a solo to a song & get credit for it just like that. What I did find hard to believe is that Neil Finn apparently didn't write the famous solo in don't dream it's over... & with that part being a major part of the song & making him millions of dollars... well you'd feel pretty pissed off if you were Eddie Rayner or Mitchell Froom! (or whoever wrote it... I forget).quote:That means that when I play It Don't Mean A Thing and solo over the form, I should have my name next to Ellington's. Or when I play Fingers of Love and play my own guitar solo, the song should read N. Finn/J Richards, as the solo is all mine. Surely you agree that that is idiotic?
Not really to be honest. All I hear is Neil Finn's songs being sung by Neil Finn with the relevant people on other various instruments. Sure, his sound has changed a fair bit over the years, but there's no way I'd be able to say... "Hmmm... that isn't Nick Seymour on bass... it sounds to me like Sebastion Steinberg!... or Wendy... or Lisa... or whoever is actually Neil's bassist these days". (reading the linear notes do help though...)quote:Can't you hear the difference between TWT and One Nil and the CH albums?
Well I'll grant you that there was chemistry in the band (at the live shows - which I know through bootlegs), but it's my opinion that as long as Neil Finn is present, beautiful music will be made (with or without Paul, Nick, Craig, Eddie, Tim, Mark or Peter)... the whole "band unity" doesn't really do much for me.quote:CH has it's own wonderful unique sound. There is a strong feeling of being a band and band unity in CH, which I don't feel in TWT.
When I said that, I didn't mean it to be taken so seriously... hell, I think I even said something about Neil using Paul's humour as a way of getting to the top, but yeah, there were many big solo artists in the 1980s.quote:Why was [being in a band] the logical thing to do in the eighties?
Hmmm... it is strange that all that time Neil actually had a band, he bareley wrote much material with them, but enter Jim M_i__o_gne... (I don't know how to spell that either).quote:That's because he went on a writing holiday with Jim Moiginie ... and wrote a lot of songs with him, the same way he wrote a lot of Woodface with Tim.
Well i'm not really on any side here ... I guess I just look up to Neil Finn as God & don't believe anyone else has any talent! . But seriously, CH DID last that long... & Neil DID dictate the band & the parts. You may be right in saying some other members might have maybe has a tiny part in possibly altering part of a bass line or drum track, but Neil still dictated the band.quote:I just cannot see CH lasting that long if all the parts were dictated by Neil Finn ... I think we may have to agree to disagree on this, unless I can win you over to my side
Yeah I think I've got that somewhere. will seek out. Cheers.quote:If you can get hold of CH 1994 Fleadh concert you can hear how Locked Out originally sounded...
Well the songs regularly DO sound similar live... but the fans don't want to go a concert to hear an emulation of the album! Neil usually does play all his written parts, but there's solos & instrumentals & covers in there to mix it up. It's sort of hard to answer a question when you're not really sure if it IS actually a question or not .quote:If Neil was such a control freak, wouldn't the songs always sound the same when performed live, that is, playing all his written parts?
Yeah I noticed that. I meant all the other songs he apparently altered, but it's still pretty nice of Neil to credit him at all.quote:Mark Hart is co credited on Together Alone and Kare Kare.
I don't like it when bands give credit to everyone. Do you seriously think "Finn/Seymour/Hester/Hart" had enough input into kare kare to warrant them all a c-songwriting credit? As opposed to the other songs?quote:Kare Kare is written by all four members and presumably Mark Hart wrote part of Together Alone.
Oh ok. I believe you, but to me, it just sounds the same, but I don't really have an eye (or ear)for detail in poorly recorded songs.quote:...but I don't think the drumming sounds very competent on that recording [You Can Touch]...
I wasn't having a go at you there.... it's cool... I just really like that song.quote:[qb]Nothing, I never said there was. I used that as an example because I presumed, unlike me, you don't have a huge bootleg collection...quote:And what's wrong with a song sounding like lester? [/qb]
Well my bootleg collection isn't that great, but it's getting there... was that 2?... or 3?... :]
YES! 2 times on CD and 2 times on cassette! It took me all of 8 years to finally *get* that album, but I'm just glad I eventually did understand it.quote:Do you own the Finn album?
Possibly. I like the whole raw feel to it, so I wouldn't mind if the bass wasn't up to scratch.quote:The basslines on that (played by Neil) are nothing like Nick Seymour's CH basslines.
Well there's 2 new words for me! I still don't know what you're known for, but it sounds interesting. Thanks for the post & I cropped a fair bit out of your post (hope you don't mind) because me replying to it all would have me having to think harder!quote:I'm known for my verbosity and my tenacity