Gee Heidi, I have to concur with larva78, I never meant to offend anyone, nor be condescending or anything that you mention in your post. BUT, I do think we are entitled to our opinion, as long as it's a friendly informed debate. That's all it was from my end. It never ceases to amaze me how the craft of music, and especially the theory of music can never seem to be discussed in a non emotive way. I have seen on this forum time and time again that as soon as the mechanics of music are discussed, this idea of superiority seems to rear its ugly head. I suspect some people on this forum are classicaly trained musicians, some are not, some are highly talented untrained musicians, some have tertiary degrees and postgraduate degrees in music, some don't, others have no idea and are simply appreciative of an artform. I fail to see why ALL of the above can't participate in a friendly discussion where every viewpoint is expressed fairly and without reproach. That's what I was hoping for with this topic, as it was one I found to be exceedingly interesting, far more than what Neil Finn was wearing at his last concert (and we had those threads for a long time). I have to admit that some of your own posts seems to express your view that the ability to read music and understand music theory is unimportant, and I got the impression from you that it was a waste of time. I still disagree, but never meant to 'put you down' or be condescending or anything else. I am disheartened to see that because your own views were disagreed with by some of us that ours are dismissed as a personal attack. They aren't, well mine certainly weren't anyway. For the record I think there are many non trained musicians out there creating wonderful music, and they are all very talented. I love the Beatles and many of the others mentioned there. But music is my job (or mistress as Ellington said), so I like to understand it. I don't expect everyone else to want to understand it.
John said he didn't understand a circle of fifths. I thought it'd be friendly to explain to him what one was. I wasn't 'correcting' him.
Apologies if none of this was directed at me.