Slow ticket sales

It’s been pointed out on Twitter that the FM tour is not selling well. Even venues in places like LA, that might normally be expected to sell out quickly, are not even half full.

Granted it hasn’t been very long since tickets went on sale, and some drop in interest is expected without LB. You can’t blame the new guys. But what’s the worst that could happen? They play to some embarrassingly empty venues? Would they actually cancel a tour if it sold poorly enough?

What’s disappointing is that some spurned FM fans are actively rooting against the band, cheering for bad ticket sales. 

 

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c.houser posted:

I would love to gain insight to how FM fans feel about all of this.

I'll be seeing Joe Jackson in July. So glad it's not an arena show!

From the Fleetwood Mac fan forum, there are several "factions".

The fans that love the Lindsey-era, are obviously very unhappy. To them, the band turned on his "creative leader" and sacked him much like The Clash did when they "fired" Mick Jones. 

The fans that love Stevie are generally ok with this as they see this as a chance to focus on her FM songs many of which haven't been played in decades.

The fans that love the pre-Lindsey years (the band had nine albums before Lindsey joined) are also generally happy as this means that they'll finally hear all those great Peter Green/Danny Kirwan/Bob Welch songs in concert.

slowpogo posted:

What’s disappointing is that some spurned FM fans are actively rooting against the band, cheering for bad ticket sales. 

Why is that so disappointing?

I am a big Lindsey Buckingham fan and a much bigger Neil Finn fan.  But I don’t want to see or hear Neil taking Lindsey’s place and performing in Lindsey’s band.  In my heart of hearts I would not be unhappy if this venture failed.  

What if Split Enz fired Neil Finn and replaced him with Lindsey Buckingham??  I’m sure there would be lots of angst about that, no?  

brownie posted:
slowpogo posted:

What’s disappointing is that some spurned FM fans are actively rooting against the band, cheering for bad ticket sales. 

Why is that so disappointing?

 

Because it’s completely childish. It’s, “if I can’t have it my favorite way THEN I HOPE IT DIES”

It’s the kid who’s mad the party doesn’t have chocolate ice cream so he throws everyone’s vanilla cone on the floor.

You could keep an open mind and think, “hey, the band as I know it is gone and that sucks, but *ahem* I haven’t even heard the new version yet, and who knows? It might be great.” 

or, you could throw a sullen tantrum about it. Just saying.

Maybe these people (and I) would feel differently if Lindsey left of his own accord and the band hired Neil and Mike because they wanted to continue on, but I don’t think that’s what happened.  It’s hard to keep a completely open mind when someone you admire is not treated well.  I have no hard feelings against Neil, he took advantage of a gift that was offered to him.

I understand the divide on both sides of the fence; not all FM fans are happy, just like not all Neil fans are happy. This new incarnation of Fleetwood Mac or Neils latest musical adventure (depending on how you view it) will have to face some harsh critics and hardcore skeptics when they hit the road later this year.

They won’t be the first or last big act to have to do so; The Eagles went on without Glenn Frey and Van Halen carried on without Michael Anthony (just to name a few recent ones); I won’t even start to go into acts like Styx, Yes, Chicago, Supertramp, Journey, etc. 

Personally I would attribute low sales to insane ticket prices and probably wrong strategy in terms of venues. They should have aimed for smaller more intimate locations to test the waters instead of diving straight into large arenas.

As much as I love Neil and FM, and I fully support this tour, I cannot afford to pay $300 for this experiment.

brownie posted:
slowpogo posted:

What’s disappointing is that some spurned FM fans are actively rooting against the band, cheering for bad ticket sales.

What if Split Enz fired Neil Finn and replaced him with Lindsey Buckingham??  I’m sure there would be lots of angst about that, no?  

I could see how that could transpire hypothetically - The Enz decide to get back together for a full world tour and maybe an album. Everybody commits to a 2 year period devoted to it. Neil wants to get out another solo album and has some other side projects so wants the Enz to work around that.

They don’t want to have to work around Neil (on tour or in the studio), so fire him. 

If that happened and he was replaced by Lindsey I’d be happy enough. Lindey’s edgy paranoia would hark back to the original Phil Judd era Enz. Spellbound, Stranger than Fiction, even Nightmare Stampede (!) might make the setlist. I’m So Afraid would slot in there nicely. I would even like to see a Bucked up version of I Got You. I would just want Message to My Girl and other Neil songs off limits. That wouldn’t work.

For me, it would be the best of both worlds - I get to see the Enz, but quite a different incarnation to the last 5 or 6 times I’ve seen them with a vastly different set list, AND I get to see Neil doing more solo stuff and touring at the same time.

I do appreciate that other Enz fans who had never had the opportunity to see them live with Neil in the band may feel short changed though.

I would also feel differently if Neil was replaced by Rikki Morris (who covers some Neil songs in Eddie’s ENZO) and they did the same greatest hits setlist, put Rikki in there and pretended that nothing had happened. I wouldn’t buy tickets to that concert...

I feel the same about Fleetwood Mac. I saw them twice on their last tour and felt really privileged to see the full Rumours lineup. I am just as excited about this incarnation because I know it will be quite different from the last tour and I don’t want to see the same concert with the same songs again. If Lindsey had been replaced by somebody who was just going to sing his songs, and it was another greatest hits setlist, I would have no interest but this doesn’t appear to be the case. I am excited about what Neil and Mike will bring to the table and really hope the tour makes it to NZ.

brownie posted:
slowpogo posted:

What’s disappointing is that some spurned FM fans are actively rooting against the band, cheering for bad ticket sales. 

Why is that so disappointing?

I am a big Lindsey Buckingham fan and a much bigger Neil Finn fan.  But I don’t want to see or hear Neil taking Lindsey’s place and performing in Lindsey’s band.  In my heart of hearts I would not be unhappy if this venture failed.  

What if Split Enz fired Neil Finn and replaced him with Lindsey Buckingham??  I’m sure there would be lots of angst about that, no?  

The issue that's not being mentioned here is that the band wanted Lindsey to stay with them. The entire band agreed a year or two ago that they would tour in 2018-19.  The band members all made their plans accordingly. Then this year, Lindsey changed his mind and said that he no longer wants to tour until at least early 2020. Apparently, the rest of the band spent weeks trying to talk Lindsey into changing his mind and stay with the band for the tour that they had been planning for a long time. He wouldn't change his mind so the band had two choices: they could have cancelled the 2018-19 tour or they could have looked for a replacement for Lindsey.  They chose the latter option which seems to be a very reasonable thing to do if Lindsey couldn't be convinced to change his mind.

The whole premise of the Lindsey Buckingham firing was the need to get on the road soon based on tour plans in the works for over a year. So I expect the concert to go on as planned with plenty of discounted  and promo tickets available as the tour comes to each US city.  It would be ironic if the tour was canceled or delayed.

I’m not surprised by poor ticket sales for this tour.  I think the news of Lindsay’s release from the group and the roll out of the new members was not as planned but social media got ahead of them. The group must have realized the blowback would be strong. I suspect Neil and Mike are hired guns and their $$ take will be less than the other band members. I just wonder if their take is tethered to ticket sales in some way.  Would anyone have knowledge of such arrangements?  

You know, I'm not a fan of this venture but I really don't want it to be any kind of flop, critical or financial: Neil has given me too much wonderful music over the years to be so petty and vindictive. But I can't help recalling how other non-Buckingham line-ups fared over the years. Remember Rick Vito and Billy Burnette? Exactly. That line up and their one album have largely been forgotten by FM fans and the public in general, and I suspect that this whole event will only linger in the mind of Neil's fanbase. Fair play to him for jumping at the chance, but at this point in time I can't really see either party coming away from it with their reputations enhanced. That's not to say they'll be sullied either though.

Having said all that, I'm really not surprised sales are slow. If a key member of ANY band was removed from it and a relatively unknown replacement was brought in, I suspect sales would fall.

Paul H posted:

Having said all that, I'm really not surprised sales are slow. If a key member of ANY band was removed from it and a relatively unknown replacement was brought in, I suspect sales would fall.

I struggle with what Neil’s stature really is. Crowded House are considered an 80s band with a few hits in the States, but my perception is they and Neil are considerably better known in the UK, Europe, Canada, etc and of course Aus/NZ. Between all his ventures Neil has easily sold several million albums at least, going by all the gold and platinum records. So even if Americans consider him a minor figure, FM’s potential ticket sales globally are certainly better, I would imagine?

Well, I can't say that Neil is better known in Europe/UK because I have no feel for his US profile, but I still wouldn't say he was well-known here. The Crowded House name remains known but so many years after their heyday I don't think they have that much pull. The last UK tour was much less extensive than previous ones and only focussed on a handful of medium sized venues. Neil's last UK tour was also relatively modest compared to previous ones. Quite to my utter amazement and embarrassment the final night of his last tour (in my hometown) failed to sell out by quite a distance.

I think the question is how much appetite is there among FM fans to see this new incarnation (at such high prices) and how much appetite is there among NF fans to see him play someone else's songs (for such a high price). I think the answer to the latter is "pretty small" and I could well understand why many FM fans are also passing the opportunity to see their band fronted by someone else.

It's perfectly normal for this to happen: Queen's audience fell after Freddie was replaced, INXS have struggled without Michael Hutchence. You take out one of the key reasons for people's fandom and people will lose interest. There must be very few examples of bands successfully changing leader/significant member and carrying on successfully. Off the top of my head I can think of Genesis, Marillion (and, ironically) Fleetwood Mac (but that was when Buckingham joined).

When NF and mates come to the US, they have cities they usually play, as well as regions that sometimes get left off the list.

So if there's a venue within a day's drive, that's worth looking into.  It's a rare occasion, and not to be missed.

Which kind of makes it  less special  that Neil will be coming to my local metro?  Am I just some spoiled, jaded fan feeling locked out?  

 Actually happened:   I just now heard the musical refrain "..go yo-ur own way" for some pharmaceutical ad while streaming the news.  (sigh)

Yeah, I'm torn about going to see FM, and it is only because of the $$.  I've seen them several times, but it's really, stupidly expensive this tour.  Same with Elton John, who is also coming to Atlanta. 

I feel lucky FM is coming here, and was interested in going before the tour dates were announced.  Now, I feel like I have 10 months to figure out how much I want to pay to see this, um, experiment.  It may be great.  I may see set lists from early dates in the tour, catch some fan-shot videos, and decide to fork over $500-$600 for me and my wife to go.  Or, I may decide that's just too much money for something that will be over in 2+ hours. 

-Dave in Atlanta

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