Neil Finn-Fleetwood Mac

Lots of unnecessary panic about this. Neil's clearly just doing his mate Mick Fleetwood a favour to help keep the FM tour on the road, and likes the kick of doing something different. As a musician there'll be a lot of fun for him with none of the pressure of being the front man carrying the brand.

He'll love the Finn fan reaction I'm sure. Fleetwood Mac is this year's moustache. The more you hate it, the more he'll do it. 

horse 2 water ski-ing posted:

I honestly think Neil has gone for the vulgar $ on this... can't blame him I suppose.  Recording studios to run and probably salaried people.  I hope it helps Neil's music which I find has gone in a steady decline; playing away from his strengths of hooks and melodies.  I just hope that playing some Fleetwood Mac reminds him of these and gets him musically a bit more back on track.  it's probably not good to record with Fleetwood Mac as that would be a hiding to nothing.  Anyone remember the Time album... thought not! 

I feel uncomfortable speculating about Neil’s financial life but I doubt he’s doing this for $. I’m sure he could live happily on the royalties from DDIO alone, not to mention all the other hits, touring income and album sales, declining as they may be. And his studio has been around quite a while now, surely it’s profitable. That said, a big chunk of cash could facilitate more daring projects like Out of Silence (which, think about it, must have been quite costly), more frequent albums, etc.

I think this is just a fun exciting adventure for him, a once in a lifetime opportunity he’d be foolish to pass up.

Jaffaman posted:

If you see Neil's website, you'll notice Neil & Liam album's still planned for release. So that equals new music in 2018. Therefore,

This comes only months after his last highly acclaimed solo album which we watched the production of online.

Neil is scheduled to perform with orchestra on three dates in Australia in May and June and is already booked for one in L.A. on March 24th.

More people around the world are being exposed to and reminded of Neil's name and work. The graphs showing the increase of follower numbers on the Neil Finn Facebook page and visits to neilfinn.com look like something you see in movies.

It's very unlikely that Neil would have released more new music in 2019 so soon after the Neil & Liam album and Out Of Silence, but meeting and jamming with other musicians while touring the world could lead to new collaborations in song or on stage. Imagine 7 Worlds Collide 3.

I doubt there would have been new music from Crowded House in the next few years anyway. Joining Fleetwood Mac for this tour doesn't mean Neil's signed away all his time beyond that, so anything can still happen.

I would also add that increased exposure of Neil and Neil's music will likely have a positive effect on Roundhead Studios.

Above the Kitchen posted:

I would also add that increased exposure of Neil and Neil's music will likely have a positive effect on Roundhead Studios.

Possibly, but Roundhead already seems to be quite a destination.  Here is a partial list of famous artists who've recorded there:

Ed Sheeran - Lorde - Kanye West - Wilco - Arcade Fire - Mumford and Sons - Dinosaur Jr - Common

Of course that list could grow but it's certainly not just some little NZ studio nobody's heard of.

http://roundheadstudios.com/faq/

RobS posted:

Can’t understand it. Imagine LB taking Neil’s place in Crowded House. We wouldn’t like it although we know it couldn’t happen 

I guess the difference is that Neil Finn wrote all (or almost all) of Crowded House's significant songs.  I adore the other members of the band, but Crowed House was truly Neil's band.

Fleetwood Mac, on the other hand, is/was a much more complex entity.

First of all, Lindsey joined the band on their 10th studio album.  He wasn't an original member while Neil started Crowed House.

Second, Lindsey didn't write most of the band's significant songs. Stevie Nicks wrote most of the band's main songs with Christine McVie writing some others. Lindsey did write some songs but only a few of them have become "keepers". He is much more of a "songcrafter" than songwriter. He has an extraordinary gift for making other people's songs sparkle.

No doubt, Lindsey is a major talent. He's one of the greatest guitarist of all-time and he helped create the "sound" that we recognize as Fleetwood Mac.  He was essentially the producer and lead guitarist for the band while Stevie and Christine were the main songwriters and Mick/John were the rhythm section. 

Thus, the comparison between Lindsey and Neil is a tough one to make. While Crowded House was "Neil's band", Fleetwood Mac was much more of a team effort.

RobS posted:

Can’t understand it. Imagine LB taking Neil’s place in Crowded House. We wouldn’t like it although we know it couldn’t happen 

I think a better analogy would be if Split Enz decided to get back to tour again. At the same time, they also wrote material for a new album, but Tim didn't want to contribute to that and went off to do another project. They still released the album but not under the Split Enz name.

Then Tim came back for the next tour, but Neil said that he didn't like the sound of the proposed tour and had his own projects that he wanted to work on.  As a collective, the band decided to fire Neil and replace him with somebody else and still go ahead with the tour.

For me, it would still be a valid version of Split Enz and I would welcome the new member(s) with an open mind. The Enz existed prior to Neil and it also existed after Tim left. Phil Judd was the driving force behind it in the mid 70s. Yes, Neil produced the big hits in the 80s, but there was so much more to Split Enz than that. 

I would still go and see Split Enz without Neil in it. I would just hope that they decided to add more Phil Judd songs to the setlist as a result (and that the new member could do them justice). I just wouldn't want to hear them do Message To My Girl or I Got You etc without Neil. 

 

Time is ok ! I have it . One of my favourite Mac albums however  Is Behind The mask which was recorded using Billy Burnette and Rick Vito right after the first time Buckingham left . 

In terms of Neil’s writing , I don’t think it’s declining ,but changing . Dizzy Heights isn’t as enjoyable to  me as Intriguer and it’s bonus stuff for the very reason you said .

stuartjb posted:

Time is ok ! I have it . One of my favourite Mac albums however  Is Behind The mask which was recorded using Billy Burnette and Rick Vito right after the first time Buckingham left . 

In terms of Neil’s writing , I don’t think it’s declining ,but changing . Dizzy Heights isn’t as enjoyable to  me as Intriguer and it’s bonus stuff for the very reason you said .

I agree with you that Neil's writing isn't declining.  Some may prefer a more lushy produced album, but the songs on "Out of Silence" are some of the best he's ever written.

Sugar Mouse posted:
stuartjb posted:

Time is ok ! I have it . One of my favourite Mac albums however  Is Behind The mask which was recorded using Billy Burnette and Rick Vito right after the first time Buckingham left . 

In terms of Neil’s writing , I don’t think it’s declining ,but changing . Dizzy Heights isn’t as enjoyable to  me as Intriguer and it’s bonus stuff for the very reason you said .

I agree with you that Neil's writing isn't declining.  Some may prefer a more lushy produced album, but the songs on "Out of Silence" are some of the best he's ever written.

Out of Silence is beautiful . I think however it works more as a work than separate songs . I think Neil’s work has become a little more abstract . I know you can’t churn the same material out over and over ( although chuck berry did lol ) 

i do however yearn for Neil’s 90’s style of songwriting sometimes ....

Sugar Mouse posted:

 For me, Stevie is a major songwriting talent and she wrote many of the classic FM songs (Dreams, Rhiannon, Sara, Gypsy, Beautiful Child, Landslide, Storms, Gold Dust Woman, Sisters of The Moon, Silver Springs ...). These are truly some of the best songs of all-time.

Lindsey is a major talent as far as song-crafting and production, but Stevie has written a ton of great songs.  She's frankly a far better songwriter than anyone else in the classic Fleetwood Mac lineup.

Check out her recent album of rarities (24 Karat Gold) as well - there are many outstanding songs there. 

FM was such a good band because each person played their part so well. Stevie with the songwriting and the mystery.  Lindsey with the production and the guitars. Mick with the drums. John with the bass. Christine with the keys and the harmonies and also some great songwriting. 

Hello all,

For the sake of clarity, it’s important to point out that, while Nicks is recognized by the general public as the band’s lead vocalist, she is not actually its most successful songwriter.  I know that's not quite the same thing as "best" or "great," but sometimes those things can mean similar things.

Christine McVie wrote 10 of the band’s top 40 hits, which is double the number written by Nicks (who wrote 5) and more than triple the number written by Buckingham (3).

True, Nicks wrote the band’s only number 1 hit (“Dreams”), but McVie is without a doubt the band’s most successful singer-songwriter, based on the facts (Source: Billboard.com, US charts hot 100).  Here are the songs that reached the top 40 sorted by writer, including the highest chart position:

NICKS
Dreams - 1
Sara - 7
Rhiannon - 11
Gypsy - 12
Seven Wonders - 19

McVIE
Don’t Stop - 3
Little Lies - 4
Hold Me - 4
You Make Loving Fun - 9
Say You Love Me - 11
Everywhere - 14
Over My Head - 20
Think About Me - 20
Love in Store - 22
Save Me - 33

BUCKINGHAM
Big Love - 5
Tusk - 8
Go Your Own Way - 10

I’m a Buckingham fan first, but there are a few Nicks songs I count among their best (“Landslide” is actually my very favorite FM tune, and I think her best songs on their last full album, SAY YOU WILL, were actually better than most of his tunes on that record).

But when McVie left the band, I quickly realized that she was the glue that held FM together.  She's probably the closest thing they have to someone being the soul or the heart of the band.

It will not be the same without Buckingham, but now he’s free to release solo music, which seemed to be his short-term goal.

The band, meanwhile, goes on, just as it always has. I’m eager to see how Neil and Mike fit into the group. Make no mistake, Nicks is running the band now, which means neither of the new fellows will step in her spotlight. But I think they’re both smart enough and talented enough to make the situation work and have fun doing it.

Matt

mattl posted:
Sugar Mouse posted:

 For me, Stevie is a major songwriting talent and she wrote many of the classic FM songs (Dreams, Rhiannon, Sara, Gypsy, Beautiful Child, Landslide, Storms, Gold Dust Woman, Sisters of The Moon, Silver Springs ...). These are truly some of the best songs of all-time.

Lindsey is a major talent as far as song-crafting and production, but Stevie has written a ton of great songs.  She's frankly a far better songwriter than anyone else in the classic Fleetwood Mac lineup.

Check out her recent album of rarities (24 Karat Gold) as well - there are many outstanding songs there. 

FM was such a good band because each person played their part so well. Stevie with the songwriting and the mystery.  Lindsey with the production and the guitars. Mick with the drums. John with the bass. Christine with the keys and the harmonies and also some great songwriting. 

Hello all,

For the sake of clarity, it’s important to point out that, while Nicks is recognized by the general public as the band’s lead vocalist, she is not actually its most successful songwriter.  I know that's not quite the same thing as "best" or "great," but sometimes those things can mean similar things.

Christine McVie wrote 10 of the band’s top 40 hits, which is double the number written by Nicks (who wrote 5) and more than triple the number written by Buckingham (3).

True, Nicks wrote the band’s only number 1 hit (“Dreams”), but McVie is without a doubt the band’s most successful singer-songwriter, based on the facts (Source: Billboard.com, US charts hot 100).  Here are the songs that reached the top 40 sorted by writer, including the highest chart position:

NICKS
Dreams - 1
Sara - 7
Rhiannon - 11
Gypsy - 12
Seven Wonders - 19

McVIE
Don’t Stop - 3
Little Lies - 4
Hold Me - 4
You Make Loving Fun - 9
Say You Love Me - 11
Everywhere - 14
Over My Head - 20
Think About Me - 20
Love in Store - 22
Save Me - 33

BUCKINGHAM
Big Love - 5
Tusk - 8
Go Your Own Way - 10

I’m a Buckingham fan first, but there are a few Nicks songs I count among their best (“Landslide” is actually my very favorite FM tune, and I think her best songs on their last full album, SAY YOU WILL, were actually better than most of his tunes on that record).

But when McVie left the band, I quickly realized that she was the glue that held FM together.  She's probably the closest thing they have to someone being the soul or the heart of the band.

It will not be the same without Buckingham, but now he’s free to release solo music, which seemed to be his short-term goal.

The band, meanwhile, goes on, just as it always has. I’m eager to see how Neil and Mike fit into the group. Make no mistake, Nicks is running the band now, which means neither of the new fellows will step in her spotlight. But I think they’re both smart enough and talented enough to make the situation work and have fun doing it.

Matt

Really interesting post.  I agree that Christine has been the glue that keeps things together amidst some truly dysfunctional dynamics.  And I completely agree that Christine has written a large number of the band's hits over the years. The band has been so fortunate to have three elite songwriters.  Most bands are lucky to have one great songwriter and FM has had three!  

Music, like all art, is subjective. For me, my Fleetwood Mac compilations are heavily slanted towards Stevie songs as I resonate most with her songs and find much greater depth of meaning in her songs especially Storms, Sisters of The Moon, Planets of The Universe, Hard Advice, Goodbye Baby, Italian Summer, Lady, She Still Loves Him, Kind of Woman, Beautiful Child, Mabel Normand, and Beauty & The Beast. Like Neil Finn's songs, Stevie's songs (for me) take on greater and greater emotional weight over time - the sign of truly exceptional songwriting.

Many of the songs I mentioned above are more obscure Stevie songs and weren't "hits", but they are some of my favorite songs of all-time. While I like Christine's and Lindsey's songs, I don't find the same long-lasting power in most of their compositions.   

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