Disappear Without a Trace

I'm loving 'Out of Silence'.  It's quickly established itself as my favourite Neil Finn solo album.

But I have to say I'm very suprised at how little attention it's received,  with very few reviews in either the mainstream or music press.  At this point it hasn't even received enough reviews to qualify for a Metacritic rating.  By contrast,  Dizzy Heights had plenty of reviews, including in Pitchfork, Filter, MusicOMH, American Songwriter, Pop Matters, Q, Mojo, the Indepedent,   Observer etc, resulting in a good Metacritic rating.  

'Out of Silence' did get reviewed in the Australian edition of the Guardian (by an Aussie reviewer) but apart from that has had almost no reviews in the international press or on specialist music sites.

This probably accounts for its poor chart performance.  It appeared briefly in the Aus top 10 and the UK top 30 but has since dropped percipitously down the charts. 

Maybe this has something to do with the way the album was released, with a big gap between the digital release and subsequent staggered physical release in different regions.  Or perhaps its due to the fact there's been no tour to support the album - and seemingly very little promotional budget.

Either way, I am surprised - and a bit disappointed given this is an album that deserves a wider audience.  With the right promotion,  there are even songs on this album that could have/should have received radio airplay - particularly Chameleon Days and Love is Emotional. 

 

 

 

 

 

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In Love With It All posted:

I'm loving 'Out of Silence'.  It's quickly established itself as my favourite Neil Finn solo album.

But I have to say I'm very suprised at how little attention it's received,  with very few reviews in either the mainstream or music press.  At this point it hasn't even received enough reviews to qualify for a Metacritic rating.  By contrast,  Dizzy Heights had plenty of reviews, including in Pitchfork, Filter, MusicOMH, American Songwriter, Pop Matters, Q, Mojo, the Indepedent,   Observer etc, resulting in a good Metacritic rating.  

'Out of Silence' did get reviewed in the Australian edition of the Guardian (by an Aussie reviewer) but apart from that has had almost no reviews in the international press or on specialist music sites.

This probably accounts for its poor chart performance.  It appeared briefly in the Aus top 10 and the UK top 30 but has since dropped percipitously down the charts. 

Maybe this has something to do with the way the album was released, with a big gap between the digital release and subsequent staggered physical release in different regions.  Or perhaps its due to the fact there's been no tour to support the album - and seemingly very little promotional budget.

Either way, I am surprised - and a bit disappointed given this is an album that deserves a wider audience.  With the right promotion,  there are even songs on this album that could have/should have received radio airplay - particularly Chameleon Days and Love is Emotional. 

 

 

 

 

 

I couldn't agree more.  "Out of Silence" is a magnificent album. That being said, I'm not sure Neil is that focused on chart position or album sales. He seems fully focused on the creative process and that's so refreshing to see in a musician.

From what I understand, he and Liam are readying their studio album which is due to be released in January.

Also, I'm wondering if Neil has theatrical aspirations for the "Out of Silence" album. The characters in the songs are so alive and I could see the songs being turned into a musical one day. One can hope ...

Bush Pig posted:

Oh my god, i hope i don't have to experiance a neil finn musical ...

Really?  Some musicals are painfully bad but some are magnificent. Hamilton and Les Miserables come to mind as majestic musicals.  During one of Neil's live performances of "Alone", he introduced by saying that the song has "theatrical aspirations."  Trust in Neil ...

Bush Pig posted:

Oh my god, i hope i don't have to experiance a neil finn musical ...

Couldn't agree more!! 

I hope Neil steers well clear of musical theatre.  

I don't believe he writes series of songs that have a common thread or theme running through them.  Of course there are things that crop up again and again in his songs; those recurring dreams.  But he's not a concept album kind of songwriter. 

One of the things that makes his lyrics so strong is the fact that they hint at various universal feelings/emotions/thoughts and that makes them seem to be about things that we can all relate to.  

We get to fill in the gaps after he's left a few hints.  We make those snippets fit our own lives and experiences, or we create our own back-story.  As soon as someone (often not the original composer) takes a song and makes it fit into a narrative, it loses that special quality. 

There are so many Finn lines that are personal yet universal.   Snapshots of a life that's not ours but is strangely familiar; from the wheeling gull, to the sunset diving bird and the man tied up to the chair....

Interesting topic, In Love with it all. But, I am affraid if we ll stick to the question of Neils maybe musical, we ll go in wrong direction.

You are absolutely wright that this album got too small attention than it deserved.  I also enjoy it very much and even consider it as one of the best in whole Neils career (at least from time of CH, not so interested in what was before). Thats why my regrets are even bigger than usuall becauase his last more than 5 albums didnt get too much attention, but none of them I didnt love as this one. And, true, first time his album didnt get attention from most of the proffesional critics of music sites and magazines, except All Music Guide, Popdose, Guardian and few more. Not enough for Metacritic. But, what concern me even more, that here in frenz forum is almost no activity except few topics which Brian entusiastichly opened, and maybe few more. And I see only about maybe 10 names/fans who have contributed in that constantly. I would say, because album nearly came out, it is too less and too little. I know that some fans expected CH album (even I was before I have listened this album), some expected Finn Bros, but anyway I expected little bit more "fire" here. Like it was one year ago when CH discs came out, I think many more fans contributed, in many more topics.

Ofcourse, when I put my earphones and start to listen this wonderful album, all of that dissapear and not matter at all. All there is left are me, wonderfull Neils voice and joy which flows through my whole being. But, anyway, part of me wants that whole world knows about this diamond. I want that Out of silence be listened and discused. Altough many here wont agree, but I wish Love is Emotional to be biggest Christmas hit single this year. I wish it would be airplayed together with Whams Last Christmas, side by side, I dont care, if will sound sentimental. And, I really think it has a chance (altough hope for Neils song on radio charts getting smaller with every new album), maybe someone overthere will come and work hard on similar idea - Love is emotional for radio single in December. Youll see how dust will be raised, and how everybody is gonna talk and write about this album!

In Love With It All posted:

Maybe this has something to do with the way the album was released, with a big gap between the digital release and subsequent staggered physical release in different regions.  Or perhaps its due to the fact there's been no tour to support the album - and seemingly very little promotional budget.

I think this was essentially a self-release by Neil under "Lester Records," which I'm sure exists mostly to release Neil's stuff and not as a full-featured record label with separate departments for art, advertising, social media etc. I agree budgetary concerns probably also had a lot to do with the lack of promotion...the whole project must have been horrendously expensive, given the size and scope of everything. Besides, the whole idea kind of eschews the traditional release and promotion cycle of a typical album. I think they were relying on social media interest being drummed up by the first three streams.

Mariola posted:

Interesting topic, In Love with it all. But, I am affraid if we ll stick to the question of Neils maybe musical, we ll go in wrong direction.

You are absolutely wright that this album got too small attention than it deserved.  I also enjoy it very much and even consider it as one of the best in whole Neils career (at least from time of CH, not so interested in what was before). Thats why my regrets are even bigger than usuall becauase his last more than 5 albums didnt get too much attention, but none of them I didnt love as this one. And, true, first time his album didnt get attention from most of the proffesional critics of music sites and magazines, except All Music Guide, Popdose, Guardian and few more. Not enough for Metacritic. But, what concern me even more, that here in frenz forum is almost no activity except few topics which Brian entusiastichly opened, and maybe few more. And I see only about maybe 10 names/fans who have contributed in that constantly. I would say, because album nearly came out, it is too less and too little. I know that some fans expected CH album (even I was before I have listened this album), some expected Finn Bros, but anyway I expected little bit more "fire" here. Like it was one year ago when CH discs came out, I think many more fans contributed, in many more topics.

Ofcourse, when I put my earphones and start to listen this wonderful album, all of that dissapear and not matter at all. All there is left are me, wonderfull Neils voice and joy which flows through my whole being. But, anyway, part of me wants that whole world knows about this diamond. I want that Out of silence be listened and discused. Altough many here wont agree, but I wish Love is Emotional to be biggest Christmas hit single this year. I wish it would be airplayed together with Whams Last Christmas, side by side, I dont care, if will sound sentimental. And, I really think it has a chance (altough hope for Neils song on radio charts getting smaller with every new album), maybe someone overthere will come and work hard on similar idea - Love is emotional for radio single in December. Youll see how dust will be raised, and how everybody is gonna talk and write about this album!

Mariola - you and I seem to be two of the few folks on this forum who are truly inspired by the new album and are posting about it.  I also find it hard to understand.  Dizzy Heights was good. Intriguer was good.  However, Out of Silence is true classic Neil Finn. Such inspired work. Songs that sound like they've always existed in some alternate world and we're just now lucky enough to hear them. I suspect there are other songs written at around the same time. Neil has an unrecorded song called "Never Return" which he played in Melbourne in 2015. Really beautiful song. Not sure if that's meant for a Neil Finn solo record or Finn Brothers album. It sounds like it was born from the same source as "Alone". Here is a clip of "Never Return" on YouTube if you'd like to hear it ...

I have to admit I am baffled by the overwhelming love of Out of Silence by a few of you here.  I don't think I have ever tried so hard to fall in love with an album,  but it's not happening.  I will probably forever love Chameleon Days and More Than One of You, but the rest of what I initially liked has faded, and the songs I never really warmed up to (about 50% of this album).... well, it's just not happening.

I think Neil is going down a path that is not for me.  I greatly look forward to his collaboration with Liam.  Although I am not the world's biggest Liam fan by a long shot, that style of music is something that is more likely to be my kind of thing.

Sorry, Out of Silence fans, but I'm just not getting it.  I can't tell you how many posts I've read here that make me say "What am I missing???", but you can't force yourself to like music you don't like, and Out of Silence just doesn't do it for me.

I actually say that with some sadness, as I never thought Neil would make an album that I didn't like.

brownie posted:

I have to admit I am baffled by the overwhelming love of Out of Silence by a few of you here.  I don't think I have ever tried so hard to fall in love with an album,  but it's not happening.  I will probably forever love Chameleon Days and More Than One of You, but the rest of what I initially liked has faded, and the songs I never really warmed up to (about 50% of this album).... well, it's just not happening.

I think Neil is going down a path that is not for me.  I greatly look forward to his collaboration with Liam.  Although I am not the world's biggest Liam fan by a long shot, that style of music is something that is more likely to be my kind of thing.

Sorry, Out of Silence fans, but I'm just not getting it.  I can't tell you how many posts I've read here that make me say "What am I missing???", but you can't force yourself to like music you don't like, and Out of Silence just doesn't do it for me.

I actually say that with some sadness, as I never thought Neil would make an album that I didn't like.

Hi Brownie,

Thanks for your honest comments. Obviously every album will "play" differently to each person.  To me, "Out of Silence" is a high water mark for Neil.  I just read the All Music review of the album and I agree with them completely. They gave it 4 1/2 stars out of 5.

https://www.allmusic.com/album...silence-mw0003097392 

Why I do I like this album so much?  To me, the melodies are so strong.  To me, there is no "fat" in the songs. Each song starts strong and finishes strong. There's no filler. To me, the emotions are packed into these songs. Neil isn't always so emotional in his songwriting, but here he is.  And lastly I'm a sucker for harmonies and string arrangements and those are both in abundance here.  Some examples of similar albums that I adore are "Little Earthquakes" by Tori Amos and "East Side Story" by Squeeze. Both of those albums would make my list of favorite albums of all-time.  You put great melodies together with great songwriting, powerful emotions, beautiful harmonies, and elegant string arrangements and I'm in heaven.

Those elements don't appeal to everyone.  This album won't appeal to those who ache for guitars and more up tempo Crowded House-type stuff.  I tend to agree with you that you may find more to like on the upcoming Neil/Liam project due out in January.

Best,

Brian (Sugar Mouse)

Bush Pig posted:

Oh my god, i hope i don't have to experiance a neil finn musical ...

Totally agree, there so many disappointing modern musicals  that have been tried and failed- good music alone isn't enough to make these things work. I would hate to see this happen to music I love.

Sugar Mouse posted:
Mariola posted:

Interesting topic, In Love with it all. But, I am affraid if we ll stick to the question of Neils maybe musical, we ll go in wrong direction.

You are absolutely wright that this album got too small attention than it deserved.  I also enjoy it very much and even consider it as one of the best in whole Neils career (at least from time of CH, not so interested in what was before). Thats why my regrets are even bigger than usuall becauase his last more than 5 albums didnt get too much attention, but none of them I didnt love as this one. And, true, first time his album didnt get attention from most of the proffesional critics of music sites and magazines, except All Music Guide, Popdose, Guardian and few more. Not enough for Metacritic. But, what concern me even more, that here in frenz forum is almost no activity except few topics which Brian entusiastichly opened, and maybe few more. And I see only about maybe 10 names/fans who have contributed in that constantly. I would say, because album nearly came out, it is too less and too little. I know that some fans expected CH album (even I was before I have listened this album), some expected Finn Bros, but anyway I expected little bit more "fire" here. Like it was one year ago when CH discs came out, I think many more fans contributed, in many more topics.

Ofcourse, when I put my earphones and start to listen this wonderful album, all of that dissapear and not matter at all. All there is left are me, wonderfull Neils voice and joy which flows through my whole being. But, anyway, part of me wants that whole world knows about this diamond. I want that Out of silence be listened and discused. Altough many here wont agree, but I wish Love is Emotional to be biggest Christmas hit single this year. I wish it would be airplayed together with Whams Last Christmas, side by side, I dont care, if will sound sentimental. And, I really think it has a chance (altough hope for Neils song on radio charts getting smaller with every new album), maybe someone overthere will come and work hard on similar idea - Love is emotional for radio single in December. Youll see how dust will be raised, and how everybody is gonna talk and write about this album!

Mariola - you and I seem to be two of the few folks on this forum who are truly inspired by the new album and are posting about it.  I also find it hard to understand.  Dizzy Heights was good. Intriguer was good.  However, Out of Silence is true classic Neil Finn. Such inspired work. Songs that sound like they've always existed in some alternate world and we're just now lucky enough to hear them. I suspect there are other songs written at around the same time. Neil has an unrecorded song called "Never Return" which he played in Melbourne in 2015. Really beautiful song. Not sure if that's meant for a Neil Finn solo record or Finn Brothers album. It sounds like it was born from the same source as "Alone". Here is a clip of "Never Return" on YouTube if you'd like to hear it ...

What a beautiful song. I dont know how this escaped me. This is certainly one for the movies. What a genius Mr Finn is

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