Cemetery In the Rain

Can anybody tell me anything about this song? I can't seem to track it down? Was it a B-side, a live track, fan club? Any way someone could send me a file?

Your skin is like water on a burning beach

And it brings me relief

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Yeah this was written from the view from our kitchen window at the Woodface apartment (Murchsion St east St Kilda). It was next to Neils house. (Neils kitchen window too as he owned the apartment first)

We'd look out the window and you could see the cemetery, occasionally we'd spot Lester running through it on one of his wild adventures (usually being a guts eating his way around the neighbourhood-god bless him).

Like the song 'Intriguer' from Intriguer, 'Cemetery' got dropped at the 11th hour. It's a bit of a throw away... but fun- for us it's really a fond time capsule from living in the apartment. Every so often I still drive past that cemetery on Dandenong Road and find myself singing that song.

Gryph
Well, at best it's the long rumored box set with multiple discs of rarities and a new live collection. At worst it's an iTunes only release of a couple of rare songs on some sort of Intriguer-related EP. Somewhere in the middle there I guess would be Afterglow II, a single disc of new rare songs.
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Originally posted by Jaffaman:
there'll be no surprises at the end!


Thanks for the info, Jaffa!

Is the end in sight, then? Could you say whether it's likely to be 2011? How would the release of this material fit in with the rumoured 'Best Of' release?
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Originally posted by BART:
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Originally posted by Jaffaman:
there'll be no surprises at the end!


Thanks for the info, Jaffa!

Is the end in sight, then? Could you say whether it's likely to be 2011? How would the release of this material fit in with the rumoured 'Best Of' release?


I did once hear rumors that they were looking at 2011 for the box set because it's the 25 year anniversary of the first album... so maybe?
Sorry to be so unforthcoming about release info. I realise how frustrating that can be. I'm being careful due to commercial sensitivities - and the fact that Finn-related projects have a habit of mutating many times over before release, as you know. And deadlines and release dates change at the drop of a hat box.
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Originally posted by Jaffaman:
Sorry to be so unforthcoming about release info. I realise how frustrating that can be. I'm being careful due to commercial sensitivities - and the fact that Finn-related projects have a habit of mutating many times over before release, as you know. And deadlines and release dates change at the drop of a hat box.

Please don't apologise Jaffa. Smiler

Just to know that this will eventually see the light of day is enough (for me at least).

It doesn't hurt us to have to choose to exercise patience occasionally. Smiler

And if we can't choose to do that, then I guess the alternative is that we stew. Razzer Poached Frenz is never a good look.

The mutations are part of the charm. Smiler
Hello all---

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Originally posted by Jaffaman:
There are a couple of versions of this on tape, the best of which is probably the demo recorded by Tim, Neil and Paul Hester in Murchison St. Unlike many other tracks from that demo session, this song hasn't been released yet.


Interesting.

Jaffaman, you, my friend, are a tease. But in a good way. *grin*

The important thing about this discussion is that, IF "Cemetery" sees the light of day, it might not necessarily end up on the Crowded House boxed set. Right?

Jaffaman mentions that "many other tracks" from those demo sessions were released. I assume he's referring to the Neil/Tim/Paul demos [often referred to as the "Murchison Street Demos"] for the original Finn Brothers album that never came to be.

If I'm not mistaken, 10 of those demos were released as b-sides on the CD singles for the Finn album's singles. The 10 demos were "Strangeness and Charm," "In Love With it All," "Four Seasons in One Day," "Prodigal Son," "Catherine Wheels," "Weather With You," "It's Only Natural," "Chocolate Cake," "There Goes God," and "How Will You Go."

Some, but not all, of those b-side demos were compiled and re-released as a bonus disc on a reissue of WOODFACE in the UK several years ago.

So, the Murchison demos have been released in association with both the Finn Brothers and Crowded House.

Jaffaman, you hinted that this track could get released, but you didn't confirm if we're talking about the legendary CH box set or something else.

Tim, for instance, self-released an EP of rarities not too long ago, and it included a studio version of "Throw Your Arms Around Me" recorded with Neil.

So...Jaffaman...can you confirm or deny that "Cemetery" is being considered for the CH box, or...something else?

Speaking of the box set, I truly hope it sees its release date soon...like, BEFORE the compact disc becomes extinct. I know a lot of people like downloads, but I'd prefer to have the boxed set on good ol' CD.

Otherwise, they'd have to call it a virtual boxed set, and that just doesn't have the same ring to it.

Also, since we're on the subject of the Murchison Street demos, did "Prodigal Son" ever get a proper studio recording? If so, was it a Finn Brothers recording or a CH one?

mattl
The original demo of Cemetery in The Rain is likely to be on the box set. By "likely" I mean it's been part of the tracklist for donkeys' years but who knows what may change before the box set's release. Fingers crossed for 2011.

Prodigal Son did get a studio recording by the Finn Brothers at the same time as Weather With You, etc. Neil's not that fond of it so it'll probably stay in the can.
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Originally posted by Jaffaman:
The original demo of Cemetery in The Rain is likely to be on the box set. By "likely" I mean it's been part of the tracklist for donkeys' years but who knows what may change before the box set's release. Fingers crossed for 2011.


Thanks so much for the clarification. I truly hope that the box will get released next year. It would be the perfect "in between" release to keep the band's banner waving until the next studio record. Assuming that there will BE another studio record...

The big concern for me with the continued delays for the box set is that, for every new album, the band presumably has a collection of Neil songwriting demos, early band demos, rough takes, alternate versions, and unreleased outtakes. Thus, there's more and more material that could be included on the box set. And if a newer song is favored by Neil and the band---maybe it's a great song that just didn't fit the vibe of INTRIGUER---it could bump an older, Paul-era song off the set.

Now, if they're going to add some post-reunion tunes, they're always welcome to just add another disc to the set. That would be the fair thing to do, eh? *grin*

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Originally posted by Jaffaman:Prodigal Son did get a studio recording by the Finn Brothers at the same time as Weather With You, etc. Neil's not that fond of it so it'll probably stay in the can.


Again, thanks for the information.

Your comment about Neil not liking the "Prodigal Son" studio recording brings up an interesting point. I wonder how many songs Neil shelves because he just doesn't care for something about the song itself or the recording. Springsteen has shelved entire albums because they just didn't make the particular artistic statement he wanted to make at the time. But, if they heard it, I wonder how many fans would prefer the studio version of "Prodigal Son" over some of the songs Neil has actually released?

It's funny to read that an artist doesn't care for a certain song or songs, particularly when the artist's fans are over the moon for the song. Brian Wilson, for instance, has supposedly never liked The Beach Boys' "Let Him Run Wild," which many fans hold dear and consider to be one of his classic recordings. In Brian's case, he apparently thinks his voice on the original recording was too shrill.

Similarly, didn't Nick make some comments in an interview this year about fans making requests for rare or obscure songs, and how Neil often enjoys those requests? Nick didn't seem to care for them much! I'm not sure if he doesn't like the songs being suggested or if he simply doesn't like being put on the spot, having to remember some b-side that he hasn't played in 15 years.

"Prodigal Son" always reminded me a little of the McCartney-MacManus tune, "Tommy's Coming Home" from the McCartney/Costello sessions. Both songs are rough demos, with great 2-part harmonies, and both tell a story, albeit a more literal one in the McCartney/Costello song.

mattl
What worries me is that this box, when it arrives, still won't include everything it could. I understand that Neil may not like, say, Prodgal Son but that's why it never got issued in the first place.

The purpose of such a box is to gather together all the stuff that never made it to an album not to try to make a purse from a sow's ear.

Jeremy, I need you to work with me on this: you have Neil's ear from time to time. You need to impress on him that even his cast offs are better than 99% of the dross in the market.
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Originally posted by Jaffaman:
The box set will cover Crowded House mark 1 only.


Well, now. That is interesting. Silly me, after the reunion, I figured Neil was pushing the box set back specifically TO include some more recent material, perhaps even 2-3 "singles" similar to what they did for RECURRING DREAM.

The fact that the box set only focuses on pre-reunion CH is interesting. Of course, that still means we'll presumably be seeing some different line-ups, including Peter Jones on drums for those final demo sessions [the ones at which "Help is Coming" were recorded].

I seem to recall Peter Green mentioning another song from those sessions, "Anthem," in an old 16 Minutes entry. Any chance of that one seeing the light of day, Jaffaman?

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As for the studio version of Prodigal Son, when Neil said he didn't like the track I agreed with him. That didn't go down too well Smiler


Haha! I imagine it didn't. At least he knows you're not a yes man.

Back to our main subject, I find it interesting that the Murchison demo of "Cemetery in the Rain" is on the current draft track list for the box. I suppose it's being considered because it could have ended up as a CH song, like many of its brothers and sisters from those sessions did?

mattl
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Originally posted by Paul H:
What worries me is that this box, when it arrives, still won't include everything it could... The purpose of such a box is to gather together all the stuff that never made it to an album not to try to make a purse from a sow's ear.
Don't worry, it's a fascinating collection that survives repeat listening. It can't include everything Neil ever put to tape within those eleven to twelve years. That would be excessive, expensive, embarassing and boring. There'll be other outlets over the years for various tracks that don't make the box tracklist for one reason or another.
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Originally posted by mattl:
I seem to recall Peter Green mentioning another song from those sessions, "Anthem," in an old 16 Minutes entry. Any chance of that one seeing the light of day, Jaffaman?
That's a beautiful track. One of my top 5 favs from the archives.
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Originally posted by mattl:
I wonder how many songs Neil shelves because he just doesn't care for something about the song itself or the recording.
I should have pointed out before in response to Paul that there really aren't that many unreleased studio-recorded Crowded House songs or alternate studio versions from the years up to 1996. Not that I've found so far, anyway. Nearly all of them will be on the box set.

Part of the thing with Prodigal Son is that it's really a Finn Brothers recording so it has less priority on a Crowded House collection. Throw Your Arms Around Me from around the same time was vetoed for the same reason and also because it didn't come close to capturing the magic of the live renditions. And what happened to that recording? It ended up on a Tim Finn CD release. So you never know...
Hello all---

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Originally posted by Jaffaman:
I should have pointed out before in response to Paul that there really aren't that many unreleased studio-recorded Crowded House songs or alternate studio versions from the years up to 1996. Not that I've found so far, anyway. Nearly all of them will be on the box set.


Maybe I'm reading into your comments too much, but when you write "studio-recorded," doesn't that leave out songs the band recorded as "home demos" on portable recording gear?

Or, let me be more direct, if I may: Jaffaman, how do you define "studio-recorded?" Are we talking strictly of songs recorded in a professional-grade studio, using professional engineers, a producer, etc.?

For instance, how would you categorize some of the previously unreleased recordings we've heard?

-"Left Hand" from AFTERGLOW?

-"Legs are Gone" from the fan club RARE CD?

-"Spirit of the Stairs" from the FAREWELL DVD?

-“Italian Plastic” from the FAREWELL DVD?

As for the number of unreleased tunes, off the top of my head, I can think of…

UNRELEASED:
Convent Girls
Tail of a Comet
Fields are Full of Your Kind
Anthem
Worms [In Oct. 2002, Peter Green confirmed that Paul recorded a “studio demo” in the mid-‘80s]
Pieces Of Change
Newcastle Jam
Most Unwanted
Be My Guest
Forever Friends
Good Luck Morning
Legs Are Gone [yes, it got a fan club release, but not an official, public one]
The Sound of Truth
I Can't Face It

Plus, there are some rarities that haven’t seen wide release:
Recurring Dream [original 1-verse version]
World Where You Live-extended version
Don’t Dream It’s Over-extended version
Zen Roxy
Dr. Livingstone [original b–side mix]

Then, there are the songs that supposedly appeared on the band’s very early demo tapes:

The Mullanes Demos April 1985 [as posted on the frenz forum way back in August 2002]
1/ Thats what I call love
2/ Can't carry On
3/ Oblivion
4/ Now we're getting somewhere
5/Seen you before
6/Love you till the day I die
7/Hodown (which is early Recurring Dream)
The other dat has:
Walking on the spot *
On the Pier*
Galfriend* (spelt correctly)
*This is Neil and Paul only

And then there’s the other demo that includes the bizarre, new wavey version of “Walking on the Spot,” the version of “Hole in the River” with Paul’s “Still Emotional” breaks, and “don’t Dream It’s Over,” among others.

I appreciate your feedback. I'm just trying to get a fix on how you view these recordings, which could fall into any number of categories [studio-recorded, home solo demo, home band demo, rehearsal recording, live recording, remix, alternate mix, alternate take, etc.]

And what do you mean, "in the years up to 1996?"

Since the band broke up in 1996, are you saying that, during the CH-Mark I era, there simply weren't a lot of studio-recorded outtakes? Or are you saying that, before 1996, there weren't many, but of the ones that exist, a disproportionate amount were recorded IN 1996, just before the break-up? [From the Peter Jones sessions, like "Help is Coming," "Anthem," etc.]

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Part of the thing with Prodigal Son is that it's really a Finn Brothers recording so it has less priority on a Crowded House collection. Throw Your Arms Around Me from around the same time was vetoed for the same reason and also because it didn't come close to capturing the magic of the live renditions. And what happened to that recording? It ended up on a Tim Finn CD release. So you never know...


Since you mentioned it, hasn't the band attempted "Throw Your Arms Around Me" in the studio more than once? Seems like there was talk of a recording being attempted when Paul was in the band, and then I think I read in an interview that they considered it again during the INTRIGUER sessions.

For the record, I always loved the version from MTV Unplugged and the live one from 1987 that ended up, I think, on one of the "Distant Sun" singles. [I think it was the Trocadero version?] I like the Finn Brothers version that Tim released on his rarities EP, but it seems to lack the energy of the band versions, if you ask me.

Jaffaman, thanks so much for your patience and time. I imagine that you have LOTS better things to do than sit around and answer our questions, but you find the time, just the same. You are our hero!

mattl
TYAAM on the Distant Sun single's from the Roxy I think. The Tocadero, now there's a show I'd love to hear, think it's only had a full release on vinyl and I've never even seen a copy!

Also remember Peter saying there was a version of Zen Roxy with words not too long ago, or at least I think I do! But thanks a lot for that list mattl, very comprehensive. And thanks Jaffaman for the updates, can't wait for this boxset Smiler

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