Afterglow Deluxe Reissue discussion

I really like the extra tracks on this one! A taste of something divine is really great, as is I don't know you. Loos tongue also, what a surprise to hear CH rocking harder and using more electronics.

Lovely to see the  incarnations of Spirit of the stairs, Neil really put a lot of effort into making it work. 

Might have to give Nada Sonata another spin... I don't remember being particularly interested by I Don't Know You, but on here it's quite something.

Judging by the rest of the tracks, the 5th album probably would have been more experimental than TWT  

The end of Spirit of the Stairs is particularly special! What could have been...

Aotearoa posted:

I may be on my own here,but having listened to both Left Hand and Newcastle Jam on the live disc with recurring dream,the studio version's doesn't feel as good.

 

I think that's probably why in both cases the live versions were released decades before the studio versions.

I think the bonus disc to Afterglow is the most interesting one yet (I haven't got round to TOE or Intriguer bonus discs at the moment). To be honest, I never really gave this album the proper listen it deserved. Hell, I didn't even get it when it first came out. Glad to say I was wrong to ignore it and Afterglow is a very welcome addition to the catalogue rather than an after thought I assumed it was.

It's the bonus disc that really got my attention though. The last eight tracks sound  like the great "what if....?" album if they decided to go ahead and make a complete collection rather than extra songs for Recurring Dream. It certainly would act as a bridge between Crowded House and Neil's solo work. The track "Taste Of Something Devine" would not sound out of place on Try Whistling This or even Dizzy Heghts. The band version of "Loose Tongue" is just as good as the solo version. It's a shame "I'm So Scared Of Losing..." was not completed but what we have here is a promise of a strong track.

However applause to Mark's "I Don't Know You", a genuine buried treasure. If the band did carry on to record another album, a couple more of Mark's compositions/vocals would be more than welcome and even strengthen the band.

Out of all the deluxe editions, Afterglow has benefited greatly by bringing attention to a great collection of songs that deserved to pulled back into the spotlight.

Dazz posted:

I think the bonus disc to Afterglow is the most interesting one yet (I haven't got round to TOE or Intriguer bonus discs at the moment). To be honest, I never really gave this album the proper listen it deserved. Hell, I didn't even get it when it first came out. Glad to say I was wrong to ignore it and Afterglow is a very welcome addition to the catalogue rather than an after thought I assumed it was.

It's the bonus disc that really got my attention though. The last eight tracks sound  like the great "what if....?" album if they decided to go ahead and make a complete collection rather than extra songs for Recurring Dream. It certainly would act as a bridge between Crowded House and Neil's solo work. The track "Taste Of Something Devine" would not sound out of place on Try Whistling This or even Dizzy Heghts. The band version of "Loose Tongue" is just as good as the solo version. It's a shame "I'm So Scared Of Losing..." was not completed but what we have here is a promise of a strong track.

However applause to Mark's "I Don't Know You", a genuine buried treasure. If the band did carry on to record another album, a couple more of Mark's compositions/vocals would be more than welcome and even strengthen the band.

Out of all the deluxe editions, Afterglow has benefited greatly by bringing attention to a great collection of songs that deserved to pulled back into the spotlight.

Was just about to post something very similar to this - you've saved me the bother! 

 

I also haven't heard the last two bonus cds yet - this is my favourite. (I found Together Alone disc 2 strangely a little disappointing - I was really looking forward to it)  

 

Isn't it a bit strange they left the York Street demo of Instinct off?  I think it's better than the released version,  and after all,  they released spirit of the stairs and Italian plastic demos that featured on the farewell to the world dvd menus... 

 

Strange omission! 

Instinct (York St) was on my list but not on Neil's. That was the case in 2006 and 2016. In fact, it was put on the Farewell DVD in 2006 because it wasn't going to be on the box set. Luckily, Spirit of the Stairs (York St demo) and Italian Plastic (home demo) were ok'ed this year.

Think of it this way. If we'd included the Instinct York St demo, there would have been three versions of the song on one CD. And then there's the single mix of the 1996 recording - a fourth version. Too much repetition for most listeners - and yet it would still have been incomplete as there were other unfinished tracks at York St. Best not to worry about it. Make an mp3 or WAV of the song from the DVD or listen to it on The Kitchen Sink II.

I tried my best to make the lost mid-90's album with what we were given:

And it's companion album from the same time period:

And while I'm at it, this one:

And this one...

And these two come from before the box sets, but they round out my non-official Crowded House/Finn albums:

Seriously these box sets are the greatest thing that have ever happened during my Finn fandom.

Jaffaman posted:

About 12 that I can recall. Sometime I hope to add the best of the rest to neilfinn.com .

This would be fabulous. Is there any chance that the material could be made available to download (in lossless, of course!) now that we know they don't have any residual commercial value (that is, that they're not being saved for a future release)?

Jaffaman posted:

About 12 that I can recall. Sometime I hope to add the best of the rest to neilfinn.com .

12???? The original Afterglow liner notes said five, the new ones say 7-8, though those may be referring to attempts at "finished songs", not demos. I'm loving what I've heard so far from this period, hope you can give us some more eventually.

So, if I'm right, from York Street 1995, we have Help is Coming, Anthem, I Don't Know You, Taste of Something Divine, Spirit of the Stairs (again), and Instinct (again)? Pity it wasn't finished, that's the makings of a great album.

Shadowman posted:

I really like the extra tracks on this one! A taste of something divine is really great, as is I don't know you. Loos tongue also, what a surprise to hear CH rocking harder and using more electronics.

Lovely to see the  incarnations of Spirit of the stairs, Neil really put a lot of effort into making it work. 

I like this Loose Tongue, but I miss that throbbing bass line from TWT. 

Man, this might have been the one I was looking forward to the most - for a few years now Not the Girl You Think You Are has been my favourite Crowded House song. It didn't disappoint, either - Neil wasn't lying when he said they had something really special starting to happen with these songs. I remember hearing Instinct when I was really young and thinking it was way too sexy to be a Crowded House song, but Taste of Something Divine makes it sound positively G-rated. The end of Spirit of the Stairs might be one of the best moments in their discography. I really hope there's some more songs from these sessions waiting to be unearthed.

Also, is it just me or is Instinct mixed kind of terribly? I always thought I'd just got a crappy download back in the day, but the rip straight from the deluxe CD still sounds really muddy and demo-y to me. Is it just the way the song was mixed?

I already have the Alternate mix on a cd single but is it not on the bonus disc as well ? Anyway I can hardly tell the difference - I think the xylophone is a bit more prominent ? They both sound swampy and Lo-fi which is I think the vibe they/Mitchell Froom/ Tchad Blake was going for at the time. It's also very similar to Neils demo.

I have the alt mix on the single (CD2). I don't think it's on the deluxe album (I don't have it) - I just see the home demo and assume the one without a description is the single version. The other is a home demo. I'll need to look out the single - I can't remember it being significantly different or better. 

I think the main reason for the Instinct remix was to make it more radio friendly by bringing the bass into the center of the mix. On the album the bass is just in the left channel IIRC. That's kind of a nod to Beatles, like they did with Kill Eye, but bringing it to the center just brought it inline with modern mixes and made it more radio friendly. Other than that I find it hard to hear any major differences between the two.

Paināporo posted:

I think the main reason for the Instinct remix was to make it more radio friendly by bringing the bass into the center of the mix. On the album the bass is just in the left channel IIRC. That's kind of a nod to Beatles, like they did with Kill Eye, but bringing it to the center just brought it inline with modern mixes and made it more radio friendly. Other than that I find it hard to hear any major differences between the two.

The "normal" mix places the bass hard left and the entire drum track in mono centre. The remaining instruments are placed hard left and right. There is also a drum machine rhythm in there that Neil reused on Wherever You Are. On the alternative mix, the drum machine is mixed out (this is the most obvious difference), the bass is placed centre and the glockenspiel (or is it a xylophone, I can never remember which is which!) is moved from left to centre. Finally, there are two guitar parts which, on the remix are split left and right. On the original, its hard to tell if both are present (one may be mixed out) but they appear hard right.

Overall, I just prefer the balance and sense of space in the remix; the original just feels a little congested to me. Still love the song though.

stuartjb posted:

That would be magic!  Thanks again Jaffaman. It's interesting that theres the abandoned 1995 album,  and the abandoned Nick Lunnay album. Both seemed to have much promise... 

Couldnt agree more with you! What album in 1995.would that be! Anthem, Something Divine, Instinct, Help, Spirit of, Not a girl, Everything is good...theres no bad song! Every song of this is at least very good to me, if not great. I am pretty satisfiyed with Finn album, but I would change it imidiattely for that CH 1995 album. I think it would be album in range of TA and Woodface..but feeling joy and thankfull to have this songs at least now.

I suspect he would have

I can't decide which version of Spirit I prefer, but I had to agree that the band hadn't nailed Loose Tongue, it doesn't quite work in this version.

In a perfect world, Crowded House would have released these "demos" plus a couple more songs as an album and it would have been fantastic. At least we can listen to these songs now, so maybe the world isn't too bad. (Help Is Coming could have been written about Jeremy, though it would be an understatement to call him a helper )

Chiming in late (as usual) ... For me, it's a shame that "I'm So Scared Of Losing I Can't Compete" never got the full treatment -- what a fun, grunge-y track.  Maybe Neil and Liam could revive it / finish it?  It sounds a lot like a Liam-type of song, actually.

Speaking of whom -- did Liam play the drums on this track?  It's listed as a 'home demo', so it probably wasn't Peter Jones playing drums, and the drumming seems a bit beyond Neil's modest capabilities.

Jaffaman, do you have any inside info about the drummer?

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